Today's mass shooting in the US

VincentHanna said:
But not in Texas where the shooter did exactly that.
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I don’t know the details of that. Can you link me? I thought people were saying yesterday it was legally purchased, meaning he will have been subject to criminal records checks and won’t “just have walked out of the shop” with a gun the same day.
 
Stu999 said:
I don’t know the details of that. Can you link me? I thought people were saying yesterday it was legally purchased, meaning he will have been subject to criminal records checks and won’t “just have walked out of the shop” with a gun the same day.
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Well yes, but he wasn't a criminal until he decided to kill lots of innocent children...so what good did that do?

www.cbsnews.com

Texas gun laws allow 18-year-olds to buy AR-15s, the weapons used in Uvalde shooting

The gunman legally purchased two AR-style rifles at a local federal firearms licensee on May 17 and on May 20, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
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Salvador Ramos purchased two AR-style rifles at a local federal firearms licensee on May 17 and on May 20, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. He also purchased 375 rounds of ammunition on May 18, according to Texas DPS.

In Texas, an individual between the ages of 18 and 21 can buy a long gun or rifle, such as an AR-15.

Carrying a gun in Texas required a permit, until September 2021, when a state law freed Texans from the permit requirement. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed a bill last summer championed by gun rights' advocates that allowed for permitless carry.
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@VincentHanna - what’s the alternative though? Nothing at all? I agree in an ideal world there would be a mental health sign off from doctors : police records but that isn’t going likely to be enacted into law over there.
 
The background check to prevent felons buying guns legally has always made me chuckle in a country where stolen/illegally imported guns can be purchased readily if you know the right people.

Of course,you run the risk of buying a gun that’s been used in umpteen previous crimes.
 
Roar87 said:
You're annoyed with Police because they didn't enter a school where an armed assailant was likely waiting to ambush them? Safely clearing a room of an armed gunman requires specialist training totaling hundreds of hours, SWAT teams and SF drill this down to a fine art because it's very easy to get killed doing it. I think a lot unfair assumptions are being made by people who are continuing to hate on Police based on the endless hate spewed towards them from BLM etc. Why not channel the hate towards the guy who actually murdered the kids instead
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No, you've misunderstood my point. I'm annoyed at the idiots suggesting arming the teachers and not restricting access to guns. Listen to yourself, you've just said it. It needs hundreds of hours of training. How is a teacher, who won't have that training, supposed to cope with that? Thoughts and prayers?
 
I work in heavy industry with numerous high risk hazards available to ruin the day of the unwary. If you suggested that we would install on plant a piece of equipment that could accelerate a small piece of metal to several hundred meters per second with only one easily defeated isolation and low effort barely protected activation device you'd get laughed out of the room. They'd discuss hierarchy of controls and you'd never get it passed unless it was the last practical option. Yet they have 400 million such devices in public ownership. I see videos of Americans working on high hazard tasks and by and large they use the same protections we would. There however remains a this blind spot to the intrinsic hazard of of firearms that separates them to all other accepted norms of managing hazards. Frankly amazing.

But the horse has bolted they just need to live with it because you will never get rid of those guns now. Even if you never manaufactured another weapon there are so many there would be a dangerous supply left in a hundred years from now. I pity the poor buggers who suffer because of this collective madness.
 
MissChief said:
From what I've read the town of Uvalde has a population of 30,000. A moderate town in the UK yet they have a 9 strong SWAT team. Makes me wonder what sort of things go down in a town like that.
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They won't be a dedicated unit, they'll be regular officers trained to a higher level who will have access to additional equipment and training and would/should respond (and/or be on call) for incidents that require a tactical response.

Policing in the US is incredibly segregated - they have more police departments than McDonald's restaurants - so every force does things their own way with their own resources and there's relatively limited sharing of resources and mutual aid. Hence why you get a small town force with its own tactical team.
 
This is why I could never be a Republican.

They have said they are open to regulation, yet never do it.

The sacred second amendment of the right to bare arms as already been altered to stop felons owning guns.

A lot of Americans think British people can't own guns.

I think if the US looked at how the British handle gun ownership, and modify the system if necessary, it would be an improvement on the current situation.
 
BowdonUK said:
This is why I could never be a Republican.

They have said they are open to regulation, yet never do it.

The sacred second amendment of the right to bare arms as already been altered to stop felons owning guns.

A lot of Americans think British people can't own guns.

I think if the US looked at how the British handle gun ownership, and modify the system if necessary, it would be an improvement on the current situation.
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Sadly I think it’s too late for that. A complete ban will never happen, there are too many that won’t give up their guns.
 
Remember swatting? Where people would call the police on Twitch streamers, and 5 minutes later you'd see the damn swat team burst through their door fully geared up... But these guys sat outside the school for 90 minutes whilst kids were being murdered?

Yank pigs are pathetic.
 
The police have now tried to explain that they didn't think the shooter had any kids in the room with him (in a classroom, on a school day....) And were holding back and waiting for the swat team, until they heard more shooting inside the room.
 
bingham67 said:
Wasn't there another mass shooting, I remember caused a lot of drama because the cops delayed the response I think they was sacked or resigned?

I can't remember or find which one it is now.
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IIRC it was the Parkland one.

The local police refused to go in, and only went in when officers from a neighbouring force (not swat from memory) turned up and shamed them into doing their job.
I believe at least one of the officers that refused to do the job is currently on trial/awaiting trial for "child neglect", "perjury" (presumably he lied on his statements) and a few other things in regards to his response.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
Remember swatting? Where people would call the police on Twitch streamers, and 5 minutes later you'd see the damn swat team burst through their door fully geared up... But these guys sat outside the school for 90 minutes whilst kids were being murdered?

Yank pigs are pathetic.
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I've seen footage of cops being heroes and footage of cops being useless, its not a blanket "theyre all pathetic" its humans that are pathetic generally speaking.

Didn't florida raise the age for buying a rifle to 21 after parkland? To think you can buy one at 18 is mental.
 
*Texas Public Safety Official: Uvalde Gunman Shot More Than 100 Rounds Shortly After He Entered the School
*Texas Public Safety Official: Seven Officers Were on Scene
*Texas Public Safety Official: There Were As Many As 19 Officers in School Hallway at Noon
*Texas Public Safety Official: Person Inside School Made Multiple 911 Calls About Gunman Shortly After Noon
*Texas Public Safety Official: Gunman Asked Sister to Help Him Buy a Gun in September 2021
*Texas Public Safety Official: Commander on Site Believed Suspect Was Barricaded, Not Active Shooter
*Texas Public Safety Official: It Was the Wrong Decision to Assume There Was No Longer Active Shooter
*Texas Public Safety Official: More Than One 911 Caller Survived Shooting

Reuters headlines from 17:07 - 17:35 BST.
 
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