It's bizarre how people find a way to blame Republicans for a crime committed by a psychopathic serial killer, as if normal law abiding people who want to legally own and responsibly use firearms were the one's who committed the crime. It's like if we were to get some weird second hand blame for every Paedophile who uses a computer to download images of abuse simply because a lot of us enjoy PC gaming.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Soldato
The police response has got a lot to answer for here.
The more that's said and comes out the less impressive they look. 40% of the town budget btw is on policing..yes 40%.
They sat on their asses for 35 minutes whilst this guy was shooting kids, meanwhile parents outside were trying to collectively organise to go in and got handcuffed. ***** infuriating.
Of course republicans aren’t directly responsible for these shootings, but what they are responsible for is blocking gun law reform that could potentially have stopped situations like this.
Soldato
Indeed, seemed like there were different versions of events right from the start, but it would have been nice if the official version could have been trusted.... Comes across like someone was trying to cover their own arse now.
It seems like what police did after more of them arrived on scene is still a bit unclear though. Eg were the officers entering the building 4 minutes after the gunmen (so 16 minutes after he first shot at the school) the pair who were apparently beaten back by gunfire after one or both of them were injured? If so how long was it until more officers went in.... The Reuters timeline does kind of read like not much happened between 11:44 and 12:40...
Uvalde shooting: Texas school gunman 'walked in unobstructed'
No guard challenged the attacker and it is unclear if the school door was even locked.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Timeline of events in Texas school shooting
Following is the timeline of the shooting rampage on Tuesday at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. Authorities said Salvador Ramos, 18, shot and killed 19 children plus two teachers after shooting his grandmother at the house they shared.
www.reuters.com
Not wanting to judge too harshly as I'm sure more information will come out and it may be there were reasons things played out the way they did (eg did they judge it had gone from an 'active shooter' situation to a 'hostage' situation due to information we don't yet know), but on the face if it it doesn't look like the response was what you'd expect, and it's odd how misleading some of the official statements were before.
Soldato
He left a message saying he sends thoughts and prayers.
Soldato
Didn't he barricade himself into a classroom, I don't know the situation if the police response was quick or slow to go in, but I can't see whatever the response it would have saved the kids in the classroom where I believe all the shootings took place.
The news is reporting that it could be the doors to get in the school were not even locked or guarded?
He did. And when police entered the classroom there were kids in hiding inside the classroom. The police asked anyone to yell out for help even though they didn’t know the location of the shooter. The kid did and was then shot by the gunman. If the police, who train for this on a regular basis are this incompetent, what chance does Larry the Janitor or Miss Gonzalez who apparently republicans think should be given a Handgun to ‘protect’ students but might never have fired a gun in years or even at all will do? It’s a ridiculous suggestion.
Soldato
Maybe if everyone had to undergo mental health checks as part of a comprehensive licencing procedure that needed repeating say every 10 years. Most states require people to renew their driving licences every few years. A simple change like that would mean loons could be filtered out and prevented from purchasing guns. Its not rocket science. I don't think anyone is seriously calling for guns to be banned but sensible reforms to be put in place. Would anyone want people in the UK to be able to just walk into a shop and walk out with a handgun or AR15 with zero checks or licencing?
Soldato
Jeez, didn't know that.
40% of the budget on policing, and it takes an hour for a suitable armed response to turn up to an active shooting at a primary school.
Boggles the mind....let alone where all these heroic good guys with guns that we always hear about were hiding
Boggles the mind....let alone where all these heroic good guys with guns that we always hear about were hiding
You can't buy alcohol until you're 21 in the states and indeed some counties are completely dry, no booze sales at all yet this guy walked into a gun shop a few days after his 18th birthday, still a kid really full of raging hormones and perceived anger at the world and was able to purchase two AR-15 type assault rifles, 2,000 rounds of ammo and tactical gear including body armour and not a single flag or concern was raised by the gun store owner?
Caporegime
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You think it's bizarre that people are blaming the people who constantly block legislation that would address this problem? Seriously?
Soldato
40% of the budget on policing, and it takes an hour for a suitable armed response to turn up to an active shooting at a primary school.
Boggles the mind....let alone where all these heroic good guys with guns that we always hear about were hiding
Unfortunately he died
Police chief hails ‘good guy with a gun’ after officer kills him in tragic mistaken identity
Police say the man who shot the gunman prevented a larger loss of life.
thehill.com
RIP.Unfortunately he died
Police chief hails ‘good guy with a gun’ after officer kills him in tragic mistaken identity
Police say the man who shot the gunman prevented a larger loss of life.thehill.com
Perhaps expecting civilian Good Guys With Guns to do the job of the police isn't such a great idea after all
It's complete speculation that gun reform would have stopped this from happening, anyone determined to commit a crime like this could get a gun in a country with 400million or so of them.
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Are their criminals on every corner selling AR15's and body armour?
You're annoyed with Police because they didn't enter a school where an armed assailant was likely waiting to ambush them? Safely clearing a room of an armed gunman requires specialist training totaling hundreds of hours, SWAT teams and SF drill this down to a fine art because it's very easy to get killed doing it. I think a lot unfair assumptions are being made by people who are continuing to hate on Police based on the endless hate spewed towards them from BLM etc. Why not channel the hate towards the guy who actually murdered the kids instead
You can’t just walk into a shop in the US and walk out with a firearm in the vast majority of cases and there are checks.
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But not in Texas where the shooter did exactly that.