Today's mass shooting in the US

VincentHanna said:
The police have now tried to explain that they didn't think the shooter had any kids in the room with him (in a classroom, on a school day....) And were holding back and waiting for the swat team, until they heard more shooting inside the room.
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I'm not sure that story will last long either considering it's now coming out that multiple 911 calls were made from the classroom where the gunman was barricaded.
www.reuters.com

Police were 'wrong' for waiting as students pleaded for help in Texas massacre

Frantic children called 911 at least half a dozen times from the Texas classrooms where a massacre was unfolding, pleading for police to intervene, as some 20 officers waited in the hallway nearly an hour before entering and killing the gunman, authorities said on Friday.
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Really suspicious how much the official story has changed already.
 
Johno please? said:
I've seen footage of cops being heroes and footage of cops being useless, its not a blanket "theyre all pathetic" its humans that are pathetic generally speaking.

Didn't florida raise the age for buying a rifle to 21 after parkland? To think you can buy one at 18 is mental.
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Of course. I've got 2 mates who are cops and they are great guys, I worked with another who was is a retired firearms instructor, he was a good guy but all 3 have stories of colleagues who were worse than useless. It seems in this case those that were there to "protect and serve" did neither of those things. If I was a parent outside I would have been going nuts, as I believe some were and were cuffed and even maced :(
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Of course. I've got 2 mates who are cops and they are great guys, I worked with another who was is a retired firearms instructor, he was a good guy but all 3 have stories of colleagues who were worse than useless. It seems in this case those that were there to "protect and serve" did neither of those things. If I was a parent outside I would have been going nuts, as I believe some were and were cuffed and even maced :(
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The stories I’ve heard from an ex-CO18 oppo of mine regarding some of his former colleagues didn‘t exactly fill me with confidence. And these were the people that made it through a year of evaluation and training.
 
https://youtu.be/zrvF_aSOgyI

*Texas Governor Abbott: Anonymous Donor Will Cover Funeral Costs for Those Killed at Uvalde School Shooting
*Texas Governor Abbott: Free Mental Health Services Will Be Provided for Anyone in Uvalde
*Texas Governor Abbott: Fund Being Established to Help Victims of Uvalde Shooting
*Texas Governor Abbott: I Was Misled About Police Response at Uvalde School Shooting
*Texas Governor Abbott: Livid That I Was Given Inaccurate Information About Shooting Response
*Texas Governor Abbott: Families Need Accurate Information, Inexcusable That They Were Given Bad Information
*Texas Governor Abbott: Expects Law Enforcement to Thoroughly Investigate Shooting Going Forward
*Texas Governor Abbott: No Recently Signed Gun Laws in Texas Had Bearing on Alleged Shooter’s Crime
*Texas Governor Abbott: Expects Discussions and Laws Passed to Address Health Care in Texas
*Texas Governor Abbott: Law Enforcement Officials’ Actions Are Part of Ongoing Investigation
 
Problem is that there aren't enough guns. If they lowered the age at which you can get guns then those kids could have defended themselves. The second amendment clearly says all people have the right to bear arms. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
 
muon said:
Problem is that there aren't enough guns. If they lowered the age at which you can get guns then those kids could have defended themselves. The second amendment clearly says all people have the right to bear arms. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Children aren't people though, apart from that 9-month window between conception and birth. It isn't very clear I know.
 
According to Trump the need is to have highly trained teachers able to conceal carry.

So these same teachers the Republicans hate for being liberals who can't be trusted to teach children to read and do maths, are now to be expected to be more highly trained than the police.
I would say expected to be braver than the police as well, but they've already shown that several times.

Also seeing some of the comments from NRA supporters.
"it's not the guns it's the criminals, we need to be tougher"
"Ok so checks to stop cirminals from buying guns"
"NO"

or
"It's not the guns, it's the mentally ill"
"so do we try and stop them getting guns?"
"no".
 
Werewolf said:
According to Trump the need is to have highly trained teachers able to conceal carry.

So these same teachers the Republicans hate for being liberals who can't be trusted to teach children to read and do maths, are now to be expected to be more highly trained than the police.
I would say expected to be braver than the police as well, but they've already shown that several times.

Also seeing some of the comments from NRA supporters.
"it's not the guns it's the criminals, we need to be tougher"
"Ok so checks to stop criminals from buying guns"
"NO"

or
"It's not the guns, it's the mentally ill"
"so do we try and stop them getting guns?"
"no".
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'So lets make mental healthcare free so we can help these people'
No.
 
MissChief said:
'So lets make mental healthcare free so we can help these people'
No.
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Abbot actually cut the budget for mental health assistance in Texas just last year, he took something like 200 million dollars away from it, now he's saying to call for the (now much reduced) help.

It's depressing and predictable that this happens time and time again, and the representatives of the NRA in office basically blame litterally everything other than their refusal to even just make it slightly harder for someone to get a gun.
I was watching a clip of a "secret buyer" type test where a program sent a 13 year old (with his mothers permission) in to try and buy various things, the scratch card seller, alcohol retailer, and tobacconist all basically had the response "lol, how old are you, no", the guy at a gun show "yeah this .22 rifle will do well for you, it shoots good". Admittedly a .22 rifle isn't much of a gun, but it shows how stupid the laws are that basically you're too young to drink, smoke, gamble, or drive but a gun at a gun show is fine.
 
MissChief said:
I can't work out if he's being deliberately contrary or is a gun loving Republican.
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No, I spent time understanding why Americans have specific views about guns, to most of you it's very simplistic. Ironically you go through great pains to show how much you like to understand other cultures, this seemingly doesn't apply if the other culture is a largely white English speaking country.
 
The whole mental healthcare argument just doesnt sit right with myself, every western nation has a severe lack of funding when it comes to mental health, this isnt unique to the US in this regard. it just comes across as a weak argument and an easy out vs what really needs to happen across the pond.
they need to break away from the idea that freedom = owning a gun vs the freedom of existing without the worry of the crazed person down the road having a bad day.
 
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