Today's mass shooting in the US

chroniclard said:
What is the actual objection to a bit of gun control?
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It's mad, and it's not just gun control, it's Americans with "their stuff"

Look at the meltdowns that occurred when they were told they can't keep Tigers as pets after the 2020 ban in some states. When you propose basic motor vehicle saftey checks (like an MOT) it's seen as the government stepping in, to unfairly control the people, because if I want to drive around in an F150 which has been jacked 8 feet into the air, that's my choice and nobody can stop me.

It's just such a stupid, broken, weird and selfish place.
 
Dis86 said:
Do you need to hunt for food in normal society? I'm pretty sure we have shops that sell these things called meats.
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There are lots of things you don’t “need” to do. If you don’t like something does that mean you should take it away from people that do?

Also you said “no purpose”, not whether or not there are alternatives.
 
Stu999 said:
There are lots of things you don’t “need” to do. If you don’t like something does that mean you should take it away from people that do?
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There's a difference between not liking something and something being responsible for massive numbers of unnecessary deaths every year.

I don't like omelettes. Omelettes tend not to be used as tools of mass murder.
 
Dis86 said:
There's a difference between not liking something and something being responsible for massive numbers of unnecessary deaths every year.

I don't like omelettes. Omelettes tend not to be used as tools of mass murder.
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They’re responsible for a small percentage of deaths every year. And the right to own them is enshrined in US law.
 
Roar87 said:
He's legally carrying firearms in a country where it is legal to carry firearms, he isn't murdering anyone, I doubt he ever has or ever will. There's a lot of people in America who are very pro 2nd amendment and who carry firearms with zero intention to shoot anyone. They have a different culture and world view to you. The guys out with their guns on holsters going to a store being polite and friendly to everyone aren't the people you need to worry about. Maybe actually visit America and go to some of these places and you'd have some idea what you're talking about.
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Someone walking around with four pistols cannot possibly be described as having zero intention of shooting anyone.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Imagine seeing this guy walking down the street towards you or in the supermarket. What do you think? I think he's a loon and it wouldn't take much to flip the switch that would have him using those guns. For all you know something has already happened in his life that morning that has flipped the switch, his partner has cheated on him, his boss has sacked him, he might have watched something on youtube that has pushed him over the edge. I wouldn't be comfortable while he was anywhere near me.

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Clearly just a harmless LARP with the guy engaging in some Lara Croft cosplay.
 
Longbow said:
Firearms are used defensively between 500,000 to 3,000,000 times per year.
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Ah like the other day a guy with an open carry gun got held up at gun point and his "long gun" stolen, so he went back to his truck and got another gun and IIRC ended up shooting a bystander?
Is that an NRA released stat? and what classifies as "used defensivly", as that could mean anything from "someone looked at me oddly so I put my hand on my gun" to "someone was unexpectedly my home, so I shot my daughter's BF*" (or "I thought there was an intruder, so I shot my daughter* who'd arrived home late" both of which happen fairly frequently but are rarely recorded as crimes).

TheVoice said:
Someone walking around with four pistols cannot possibly be described as having zero intention of shooting anyone.
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He's probably itching for the chance to prove he's a hero, but more likely to shoot himself in the foot or some poor sod who takes "his" parking space at the donut shop, or get shot by the police for being armed if he's ever around somewhere that there has been a reported shooting (the "good guys with guns" have a habit of being shot at by police, even if they're wearing things like security guard uniforms for the place they're in).


*Replace family member/friend as appropriate.
 
Is that an NRA released stat? and what classifies as "used defensivly", as that could mean anything from "someone looked at me oddly so I put my hand on my gun" to "someone was unexpectedly my home, so I shot my daughter's BF*" (or "I thought there was an intruder, so I shot my daughter* who'd arrived home late" both of which happen fairly frequently but are rarely recorded as crimes).
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The bolded example is called aggravated assault with a deadly weapon or brandishing in some states so would be recorded as a crime.

Have you got any stats on accidental daughter/family member shootings? Could be charged as negligence. Edit - answer my own question, one source says around 500 per year. Not sure that qualifies as “fairly frequent” in a country of 350m with more guns than people.

There are no reliable statistics or agreed definitions of what constitutes a defensive use of a firearm as far as I can tell.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Imagine seeing this guy walking down the street towards you or in the supermarket. What do you think? I think he's a loon and it wouldn't take much to flip the switch that would have him using those guns. For all you know something has already happened in his life that morning that has flipped the switch, his partner has cheated on him, his boss has sacked him, he might have watched something on youtube that has pushed him over the edge. I wouldn't be comfortable while he was anywhere near me.

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