Today's mass shooting in the US

I think part of the problem is that the typical NRA memberr lives in a world where firearm related crime really isnt a problem.

I read a Blog the other day on this where some guy, claiming to live in a small mid-western town, stated that in his community, where open carry was the norm, there hadn't been a firearm related crime in living memory.

And I can believe it. The majority of firearm related deaths are actually suicides. Of those that are homicides, the majority (Like 70% or even more) are Black people killing each other in places like urban Detroit.

America is a big place. It isn't Belgium.

Gun owners living in a peaceful and safe mid western town would no more want new laws that affect their freedoms imposed on them because of what happens in Detroit or Chicago than I (SW Surrey) would because of what might be happening in Warsaw.

And I sympathise with them...
 
Orionaut said:
I think part of the problem is that the typical NRA memberr lives in a world where firearm related crime really isnt a problem.

I read a Blog the other day on this where some guy, claiming to live in a small mid-western town, stated that in his community, where open carry was the norm, there hadn't been a firearm related crime in living memory.

And I can believe it. The majority of firearm related deaths are actually suicides. Of those that are homicides, the majority (Like 70% or even more) are Black people killing each other in places like urban Detroit.

America is a big place. It isn't Belgium.

Gun owners living in a peaceful and safe mid western town would no more want new laws that affect their freedoms imposed on them because of what happens in Detroit or Chicago than I (SW Surrey) would because of what might be happening in Warsaw.

And I sympathise with them...
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Good point, well made! :)
 
Flibster said:
So it was the March for our Lives yesterday. 800'000 people turned up in D.C.
Paul McCartney turned up at New York protest and talked about John getting shot.

Some cracking protest signs too.
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And my favourite.
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I thought this was the most poignant that i had seen -

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Its sad that there is no interest in debate, no interest in reason on either side of this issue - I kind of get that dealing with the likes of the NRA is sometimes like dealing with a brick wall and might necessitate more extreme measures but still.
 
Rroff said:
Its sad that there is no interest in debate, no interest in reason on either side of this issue - I kind of get that dealing with the likes of the NRA is sometimes like dealing with a brick wall and might necessitate more extreme measures but still.
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indeed, the gun community is doing itself no favours by taking such a hard line. if they gave just a little ground it'd pretty quickly and easily lower the need to take any more.

like the uk- there's not much call for additional firearm legislation when there's such low rates of gun crime. but it's so easy for them to sell the whole "slippery slope" argument, despite all evidence to the contrary.
 
I often think that if the NRA actually engaged with the government and gave even just a little ground they'd make a lot more friends with those that oppose them.
 
MissChief said:
I often think that if the NRA actually engaged with the government and gave even just a little ground they'd make a lot more friends with those that oppose them.
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problem is they don't want to give much away for good reason (from their pov)

realistically the 2nd amendment is a huge thing to try and get rid of, it isn't likely to happen any time soon, however they can try to introduce lots more regulations one step at a time and generally small changes to regulations are easier to implement without some judge deciding they're going against the 2nd amendment, they could perhaps incrementally get to a stage where they have the sort of sensible gun laws that perhaps wouldn't be realistically implemented if tried in one go

the NRA knows this and so will pretty much oppose any regulation
 
It's just an extension of the resist movement set up by the Democrats and the media to try to undermine (ideally overthrow) the current Democratically elected government, where were they all under Obama era mass shootings? Most of the youth marching for gun control now are the same ones who were hysterical about Trump being the next Hitler when the media were pushing that narrative during campaigning (one kid tried to assassinate him remember). If they no longer believe he is Hitler then why aren't they questioning if the media can be trusted given that they were so easily manipulated before? and if they still believe he is Hitler or a Russian stooge or whatever then why are they protesting to hand over their only line of defence against him? they're either very easy influenced by the latest media narratives or illogical and stupid.
 
Former U.S. senator and presidential candidate Rick Santorum suggested on Sunday that students concerned about gun violence in their schools should learn how to revive wounded people instead of asking lawmakers “to solve their problems.”

“How about kids, instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations where there is a violent shooter,” he said.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...r-instead-of-rallying-for-gun-laws/ar-BBKGdpB

Great solution Rick...Why be pro-active in trying to stop attacks before they happen when you can merely try and revive your dying class mates afterwards?
 
VincentHanna said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...r-instead-of-rallying-for-gun-laws/ar-BBKGdpB

Great solution Rick...Why be pro-active in trying to stop attacks before they happen when you can merely try and revive your dying class mates afterwards?
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I think the most shocking thing out of all this for me is the way in which young people campaigning - including those who actually survived the Parkland attack - have been subjected to some utterly vitriolic abuse by people who vehemently disagree with any kind of gun reform. They've been told they're not old enough or mature enough to have an opinion, that they should be doing more productive things with their time than protest, and that they're all crisis actors and are just using the whole thing for fame and attention. For example:

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/977852761038643200

It's horrifying, and would have been almost impossible to imagine in a pre-Trump era.
 
its disturbing how much effort people goto to discredit teenagers who have experienced mass shooting in schools

as someobody who experienced it I am sure they are probably best placed to talk about it and the impact it has on people
 
In one of the videos she responds to a tweet that asked why they didn't report the shooter to the authorities.

She said "they" ostracised him when it was clear he was a dangerous person.

The internet immediately turned this in to a "They bullied the shooter since middle school, that's what happens when you bully people" discussion
 
Former U.S. senator and presidential candidate Rick Santorum suggested on Sunday that students concerned about gun violence in their schools should learn how to revive wounded people instead of asking lawmakers “to solve their problems.”

“How about kids, instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations where there is a violent shooter,” he said.
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Is this guy for real? :confused:

Isn't that what us adults are here for, to protect children and solve problems that are a direct threat to their safety?
 
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