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Not surprised at all.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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the irony would be deliciously satisfying if it weren't for the reality that these idiots have power, and guns
Almost always the case with gun enthusiast conventions - couple of big ones with IIRC F1 Firearms recently where only people with concealed carry permits were allowed to bring their guns and heavy police and armed security present on the doors.
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Necro but was its not really worth starting a new thread for this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45481527
TBH, knives dont have safeties so maybe the teacher's lucky that he had a gun?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45481527
TBH, knives dont have safeties so maybe the teacher's lucky that he had a gun?
Is the gun owner also up on charges, because they certainly should be.Necro but was its not really worth starting a new thread for this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45481527
TBH, knives dont have safeties so maybe the teacher's lucky that he had a gun?
What concerns me is what if the Teacher were armed? Would they assume the magazine was loaded with more than one bullet and open fire killing the child? What then? Is the teacher then guilty of murder? manslaughter? That's counselling for years killing a child 'in self defence'.
It would be self defence.
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Yeah, arm all teachers.
That kid would had a new breathing hole the moment he pointed that gun at them.
lol @ America
That kid would had a new breathing hole the moment he pointed that gun at them.
lol @ America
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The kid clearly needed training.
Certainly hope so...
I've become almost fascinated by the psychology behind some of the people who carry out these mass shootings or 'grievance killings'. And exactly what can lead to a benign or harmless individual to turn into a mass murderer. Nikolas Cruz (the Stoneman Douglas shooter) is a perfect example of such a person, he calmly and openly proclaims that he's going to carry out his deed - which he's planned in advance, it doesn't appear to be an impulsive action, or something he's doing in a rage, he seems to be perfectly aware of what he's about to do.
Another thing I found quite interesting was his police interrogation, I was also struck with how well he was treated by the detective, in the interview he goes through a phase of blaming demons in his head and other nonsense - but I don't buy any of that. Eventually we get a tsunami of tears and panic, along with all typical hallmarks of a kid who's majorly messed up.
Situations like these, seem so incredibly frustrating - to me the cause seems reasonably obvious; A child who's bullied, upset, angry, bored - easily gains access to a weapon of warfare, knows in advance that he'll become a global news sensation. I find it weirdly fascinating how a society can routinely create this perfect storm of conditions, that enables these things to happen.
Another thing I found quite interesting was his police interrogation, I was also struck with how well he was treated by the detective, in the interview he goes through a phase of blaming demons in his head and other nonsense - but I don't buy any of that. Eventually we get a tsunami of tears and panic, along with all typical hallmarks of a kid who's majorly messed up.
Situations like these, seem so incredibly frustrating - to me the cause seems reasonably obvious; A child who's bullied, upset, angry, bored - easily gains access to a weapon of warfare, knows in advance that he'll become a global news sensation. I find it weirdly fascinating how a society can routinely create this perfect storm of conditions, that enables these things to happen.
Why? If the the gun was stolen from them then how is it their fault?
Pointing to irresponsibility of gun owners for having their guns easily stolen is just the type of thing the gun lobby likes to point towards blaming rather than guns themselves.
Because a 12 year old child should not have unfettered access to a handgun?
Lot's of things children shouldn't be using. You don't explicitly lock them away from it.
True, but most of them are only dangerous to the child themselves, not to other people?
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No and no. It would be reasonable force. I think the term in the USA is "justifiable homicide". If someone has a gun pointed at you and is trying to kill you, killing them is certainly justifiable. Even if it was possible for the victim to see that the safety was on it wouldn't be reasonable to require them to do so. The magazine probably was loaded with more than one bullet - why wouldn't it be? The issue was the safety, not the number of bullets.
Probably. I'd hope so, because it should seriously disturb someone.
Apparently there was a single bullet in the gun.
Duty to make sure it's reasonably secured.
If a 12 year old can get it it's not reasonably secured.