Are you going to argue that there will be a difference, and that more Black guys are shot "accidentally" due to the colour of their skin? You could actually argue that considering Black people are massively over represented in all crime stats that White people are shot disproportionately as they're less likely to be criminals e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide
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Are you going to argue that there will be a difference, and that more Black guys are shot "accidentally" due to the colour of their skin? You could actually argue that considering Black people are massively over represented in all crime stats that White people are shot disproportionately as they're less likely to be criminals e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide
Well, yes, isn't that exactly what is being debated?
Well no, people are posting anecdotally that 1 Black guy was shot, no one has actually made an argument that Black guys are over represented and there's no data. Of course plenty of White guys were shot accidentally, there's less White people in prison in America yet twice as many are shot by Police. 52.5% of homicides are committed by Black guys who make up 13% of the population, yet White people are twice as likely to get shot by Police, how are Black people the victims here?
For a start it's more than 1 black man
Why of course, you have provided no data of that
Until you can provide data showing the numbers of innocent white vs innocent black being shot I'm not sure what you are trying to prove.
The data we do have is media reports of innocent black people being shot (not the most rigorous source of course) you state there are no media reports of innocent white people being shot (which I showed to be incorrect anyway) so it's either in your view it doesn't get reported (incorrect) or that it rarely happens (more likely)
"the data we do have is media reports" - lmao is this a serious response? Are people this dumb? The media is selling stories, they make money out of reporting news, they aren't publicly funded. There's no story if a white guy gets shot by Police, because there's no public outrage. No one is being accused of racism, it's not interesting, no one's buying news papers or clicking links. The data you have is a very small handful of black guys being shot by Police that has been reported as national news, in a country where hundreds are shot each year. Why do you think the media is reporting these? Half the stories I've seen the officer who shot the black guy was black himself, though that was mentioned some where near the bottom of the page funnily enough. Honestly how are people this dumb.
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You seriously think it won't make the news when a white person gets accidentally shot and killed by police?
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Seriously? Take a browse in SC to see just how dumb people can be.
Of course not, are you serious? There are 30 shootings per day in America, you do realise most aren't reported, yes? Do you think the accidental shootings being reported are the only one's that happen?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...6fda6b404c7_story.html?utm_term=.a55225b5f9a9
https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/i...unarmed-chart.jpg?uuid=RxgwOk52EeiFwZMmxFEQMw
There's some data in that story, though I can't find their source, black people are killed at a disproportionately higher rate, but more unarmed white people are killed. They just NEVER get reported on.
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Err, what did I say with the rest of the sentence or are you that dumb not to be able to take it in? I said that it isn't a great source, but until you can provide some better data (which the graph you linked up wasn't) and more than your assertion that when innocent white people get shot it doesn't get reported (which was proved incorrect) then on the face of it yes, it does seem that innocent black people are far more likely to be shot by police than innocent white people.
What? I just linked you a story about public outrage when an innocent white person was shot and killed
I know right, you just posted in there today for a great example
Ok Freakbro, you've decided a graph by the Washington Post of unarmed shootings isn't data, which is even a left wing source, yet you cited media stories as your source lmao.
A white Australian woman being shot is news, a poor white American male isn't news. If you can't work out why that's the case then I'm not sure what to say.
Am I not speaking English? What are you finding hard to understand that I said the data you linked up didn't show how many innocent white or black people get shot by police. It is data of how many white and black people are shot by police, but that isn't what is being discussed.
Everything else you are saying is just your assumptions and gut feeling.
And I'm not citing data sources, i'm asking for them. The starting point is the news stories, which show innocent black people do get shot by police. Now you assert white people do as well, but the media don't report it. Fine, that is a theory, one I show that isn't actially the case and I am asking you to provide actual data to support your theory.
I've linked data showing more unarmed white people being shot by Police, that doesn't count? Just what is your assertion by the way? Please be specific. Mine is that the media is biased towards reporting shootings that affect Black people, it's a bigger story, groups like Black Lives Matter have protests which create more stories, there's nothing like that when a White person is shot.
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makes it worse now NRA will have egg on thier face
I wasn't making any assertions, if you go back and look all I said at the start was the statista data you linked didn't back up what you were saying. And linked up a story where there was public outrage an inncent white woman was shot.
I'm also googling now and finding other news reports over unarmed white men being shot, such as this one
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/01/us/orlando-police-hospital-shooting/index.html
I can also see why the above story didn't generate public outrage and its not due to racial bias of reporting. I didn't see your edits where you added the Washington Post data about unarmed deaths, though I find it amusing that you cite the media don't report it whilst quoting MSM for some data
I don't disagree with what you are saying though that the media will of course headline what is currently the 'flavour of the month' story (though in this case it's more decades), what I do disagree with is the sentiment that white killings don't get reported at all or there is no outrage when it happens. It just smacks of the 'poor me for being a white male, the most disadvantaged section of society' mantra that seems to be permeating through certain sections of society.
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I looked, you are without question the single most relentlessly stupid person in that Trump thread, just staggering levels of stupidity and naivety. You even roll out the token 4 chan buzzwords like 'NPC' just to confirm to everyone how insufferably cringeworthy and detached from the real world you are.
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And probably nearly 70% of the firearm related homicides.
(Almost all Black homicides are committed using a Gun. only around 70% of White homicides are committed with a Gun)
Sadly, the probability of a Black Man brandishing a gun in a public place being a "Bad Man with a Gun" is very high indeed so it should hardly be surprising that the Police react accordingly
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You are not thinking!
In an environment where firearms are more common than i-pads, it is actually astonishing that (for White people anyway) some 30% of homicides do not involve the use of a firearm!
It is like finding that 30% of DIY'ers have used a shoe to nail down their floorboards instead of a hammer (Even when a hammer was readily available)!
You are not thinking!
In an environment where firearms are more common than i-pads, it is actually astonishing that (for White people anyway) some 30% of homicides do not involve the use of a firearm!
It is like finding that 30% of DIY'ers have used a shoe to nail down their floorboards instead of a hammer (Even when a hammer was readily available)!
I wouldn't call it astonishing, in the heat of a moment a knife or blunt object is quick and conceptually simple to pull off a murder with (though a tad more difficult to achieve than a a bit of metal flying at ~mach 1).
Not everyone is carrying them all day either.
No, the interesting thing is that quite clearly. Black people are killing each other (Most Homicides in the US are intraracial) for rather different reasons than why White people are killing each other...