Top 5 Woke Hollywood DISASTERS of 2022

I guess the main way I might describe things as "woke" when discussing the TV shows in question is when they have put all their effort into ensuring the diversity talking points are all included but the important bit the plot, the script, the acting and direction is all sadly lacking.

As I have siad many times before there have been lot and lots of TV shows and films that have made important political statements, Quantum Leap, Star Trek, Doctor Who plenty more if I thought about it. But those made their points as part of a great story, script and acting. They didn't offer up diversity or other political talking points as though it were the singular thing that defined the shows quality.

She Hulk was disrespectful to legacy characters and woo go girl Jen was a **** lawyer and an unispiring superhero. I actually liked the actress she was just stuck in a creative car crash a few good ideas delivered badly.

Rings of Power was desperate for "Epic" but never earned it. It always just wanted to jump to it. The plot was a mess the characterisation of the main character was frankly unlikable. They made sure every box was ticked apart from good plot, well written and well acted.

Wheel of Time made a mess of a solid story world and rushed important points. There was plenty of opportunity diversity in the cast and characters but they forced a daft multi cult village into a medieval-esque world and thoroughly undercut the protagonists characters and motivation. There was plenty of opportunity to bring in their talking points in a natural way given the nature of the story and World and did it all cack handedly.

TV execs need to focus on good content first and let any political messages happen organically.
 
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Shamikebab said:
That could have described any of Thor 1-4 and Avengers films too
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My recollection is that the role was played in a serious manner up until Thor: Ragnarok (3). That's not to say there wasn't humour or jokes but Thor wasn't portrayed as a buffoon.

PlacidCasual said:
As I have siad many times before there have been lot and lots of TV shows and films that have made important political statements, Quantum Leap, Star Trek, Doctor Who plenty more if I thought about it. But those made their points as part of a great story, script and acting.
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Star Trek probably has the most genuinely "strong" female characters out of any TV show I can think of, Dr. Crusher, Troi, Kira Nerys, Jadzia Dax, Janeway, B'Elanna Torres and 7 of 9 (probably missing a lot too). They were strong because they were rounded characters, who had flaws, but they worked on those flaws. They showed through their actions what type of person they were.
 
I thought the way the first episode treated Hulk was crappy, the ongoing Captain America joke might have been funny if the show was a comedy and Daredevil didn't live up to the ABC character, even Emil Blonsky was played for laughs (badly). Although I thought Tim Roth made a good effort.
 
PlacidCasual said:
I thought the way the first episode treated Hulk was crappy, the ongoing Captain America joke might have been funny if the show was a comedy and Daredevil didn't live up to the ABC character, even Emil Blonsky was played for laughs (badly). Although I thought Tim Roth made a good effort.
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The show was a comedy... whether or not you found it funny is subjective. Also, as to her being an uninspiring superhero, part of the whole thing was her NOT wanting to be a superhero, do people even watch the shows they comment on?
 
PlacidCasual said:
I guess the main way I might describe things as "woke" when discussing the TV shows in question is when they have put all their effort into ensuring the diversity talking points are all included but the important bit the plot, the script, the acting and direction is all sadly lacking.
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Well said dude!!
 
Modern woke films are like being force fed something you don't like the taste of. Usually there is a huge portion of sanctimony involved. Telling people what they should like or dislike. Miscast characters that stand out like a sore thumb etc.

I saw Where the Crawdads Sing recently, most of the senior production crew were female. Good film and no woke detected. Everything felt coherent and in harmony. Characters had a complexity to them and not simply good or bad.

Compare that to Netflix garbage where they seem to be designed for people half watching and half browsing social media, often with a nod to current affairs. Sometimes there can be multiple tick boxes rolled into one e.g. Glass Onion with black female sticking it to an arrogant rich white guy.
 
Chojin said:
Compare that to Netflix garbage where they seem to be designed for people half watching and half browsing social media, often with a nod to current affairs. Sometimes there can be multiple tick boxes rolled into one e.g. Glass Onion with black female sticking it to an arrogant rich white guy.
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That's  your issue

I didn't even think twice about her being black. I was actually more impressed that a singer can act well.
 
VincentHanna said:
It's 2023.

Having a black actor in your cast isn't a box ticking exercise
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Let's not pretend like the role of black actors in films hasn't changed over the years. E.g. in the comic book adaption world - Wesley Snipes played Blade in the 90s. He was a bona fide star in his own right regardless of race. Fast forward to Black Panther and a black comic book lead becomes a huge political statement.

Things went backwards not forwards and often there is some spoon fed virtuosity to go with it.
 
Chojin said:
Let's not pretend like the role of black actors in films hasn't changed over the years. E.g. in the comic book adaption world - Wesley Snipes played Blade in the 90s. He was a bona fide star in his own right regardless of race. Fast forward to Black Panther and a black comic book lead becomes a huge political statement.

Things went backwards not forwards and often there is some spoon fed virtuosity to go with it.
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That's because the modern social activist is ignorant of history, I was so glad that black panther was the 1st comic book movie ever to have a black lead, so brave and ground breaking...
 
You forgot Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.

Lots of blacks, lots of women and a bisexual or gay character. That's the dictionary definition of woke, right?!?!

Edit: I think the bad guy was Hispanic. Quotas lol.


rp2000
 
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Stu999 said:
My recollection is that the role was played in a serious manner up until Thor: Ragnarok (3). That's not to say there wasn't humour or jokes but Thor wasn't portrayed as a buffoon.



Star Trek probably has the most genuinely "strong" female characters out of any TV show I can think of, Dr. Crusher, Troi, Kira Nerys, Jadzia Dax, Janeway, B'Elanna Torres and 7 of 9 (probably missing a lot too). They were strong because they were rounded characters, who had flaws, but they worked on those flaws. They showed through their actions what type of person they were.
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Chojin said:
Let's not pretend like the role of black actors in films hasn't changed over the years. E.g. in the comic book adaption world - Wesley Snipes played Blade in the 90s. He was a bona fide star in his own right regardless of race. Fast forward to Black Panther and a black comic book lead becomes a huge political statement.

Things went backwards not forwards and often there is some spoon fed virtuosity to go with it.
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I suspect if we had as much internet back then the same people would have found the same issues back then.


rp2000
 
Chojin said:
Let's not pretend like the role of black actors in films hasn't changed over the years. E.g. in the comic book adaption world - Wesley Snipes played Blade in the 90s. He was a bona fide star in his own right regardless of race. Fast forward to Black Panther and a black comic book lead becomes a huge political statement.

Things went backwards not forwards and often there is some spoon fed virtuosity to go with it.
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Firstly, Wesley Snipes was a big star and back then you could launch a movie on star power alone. You cannot do that now.

Secondly, you are forgetting about Spawn, which is the first superhero movie with a black lead that had a bit of a budget.

Thirdly, Black Panther wasn't about having a black lead. It was that it was a 90% majority black cast, had a black director, black co-writer etc and depicted an aspirational society where typical black tropes and Hollywood's idea of a "black character" didn't really exist.
 
VincentHanna said:
It's 2023.

Having a black actor in your cast isn't a box ticking exercise
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Yes it absolutely can be if the ONLY reason you cast someone Black is because of their skin colour and/or "to represent" for example when either a character is race-swapped (pick one of a hundred examples) or if their particular skin colour doesn't match with the film logic i.e. Black people in Nordic times with Vikings etc.

If you make a film like Black Panther or Woman King or about US slavery then you, as a viewer, can expect to see Black people so it doesn't become a "box ticking exercise" yet if you have a middle ages based drama set in Northern Europe then it is absolute a box ticking exercise to race-swap a White historical figure by casting a Black actor.

You saying "it's not" shows your deliberate unwillingness to acknowledge reality and thats disappointing to see as everyone should be able to acknowledge the truth even if it doesn't help them make their point.
 
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PlacidCasual said:
I guess the main way I might describe things as "woke" when discussing the TV shows in question is when they have put all their effort into ensuring the diversity talking points are all included but the important bit the plot, the script, the acting and direction is all sadly lacking.
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A slight addition, to your statement. The addition of these "woke" elements is often inserted at the detriment of the character or plot. Women must be better than men in every aspect, most of the time this invovles dumbing the men down to bumbling levels of incompetency other times it involves boosting the women up with knowledge they can't possibly have in universe. Another example is that a women must always be portrayed as right even when they are so blatantly wrong (Admiral Holdo says "hi"). Not a complete list but enough to get the picture.

Since she hulk is the topic of discussion, there is a bit were she tells hulk how she is better at managing her anger and how much harder her life is because she is a women. All while ignoring everything that hulk has been through both in the MCU and the comics, which she would know about being family and all. Maybe intentional but it is kind of ironic she gets angry just explaining all of that,

You then throw in writers who seem to fail upwards and things don't look so good.
 
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