Top secret US spy drone captured by Iran

Glaucus · 8 Dec 2011 at 18:55

Andr3w said:
FOX is right. We spy on Russia and Russia spy on us. Just as the majority of countries in the world are spying on each other.

And is an essential part of the nuclear treaties and why ex military equipment is stored in open view.

[TW]Fox · 8 Dec 2011 at 18:59

Craterloads said:
So you were talking out of your *** then?

You havnt got a shread of proof have you?

Proof? Will that be the same proof you have that the Americans are...

, preparing for military strikes

You don't need proof to state that nations spy on each other. It's common knowledge. If there was proof of specific spying activity it'd be pretty crap spying activity, don't you think? Perhaps it was a poor choice of words but I've clarified my position numerous times since then.

Kemik · 8 Dec 2011 at 18:59

I thought these drones were programmed to return to home base when they lose signal?

Craterloads · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:00

[TW]Fox;20752017 said:
Proof? Will that be the same proof you have that the Americans are...

Your just getting desperate now.

And violating another nations airspace, is completely different from your "regular spying"

EdGey · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:02

Some nice new stealth features for China and Russia.

Could well have been done on purpose.

[TW]Fox · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:02

EdGey said:
Some nice new stealth features for China and Russia.

Could well have been done on purpose.

China and Russia dont need stealth, only America spys on people. Its desperate to suggest otherwise.

Tefal · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:02

[TW]Fox;20751935 said:
I shall retract my opinion.

Russia does not spy on any country it is not at war with and neither does the UK.

Like everyone else here I am not an expert on secret military technology so I've no idea what they'd use to do so if they did, but come on, the point I was making was fairly clear. Nations spy on each other. Have done since the dawn of time, will continue to do so until the end of time.

yes we spy on each other but we do not send planes over each other to do it, as that would be insanely stupid as it would force the other sides air force to respond (see the uk jets escorting Russian bombers out of our airspace when they venture too close) fit hey tried to get over London they'd be shot down, which would be an incredibly stupid position to put themselves in.

and also the fact that russia is not sending imaginary aircraft over London makes no sense in relation to what you quoted

Andr3w said:
FOX is right. We spy on Russia and Russia spy on us. Just as the majority of countries in the world are spying on each other.

not by flying planes over major cities we don't.

if America tried to spy on the Iranians with this then the Iranians had every right to shoot it down and tough to the yanks.

if it was simply out of contact/control lost then again Iran had every right to shoot it down to protect their people from accidents caused by an unknown, unresponsive aircraft crashing there.

DAnDan · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:03

Craterloads said:
Your just getting desperate now.

*you're

And yet you don't have a single coherent point to go against him?

[TW]Fox · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:04

Craterloads said:
And violating another nations airspace, is completely different from your "regular spying"

It's pretty difficult to spy using a non-orbiting object without violating airspace, you know.

It's all a calculated risk. You hope they dont find out - if they do, you accept **** might hit the fan and you wont get your toys back.

Glaucus · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:04

It wasn't shot down, look at it.

Either lost controll like Us says or hacked like Iran says.
I suspect the former.

[TW]Fox · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:06

Tefal said:
yes we spy on each other but we do not send planes over each other to do it

We would if we could be reasonably sure they wouldn't be detected or intercepted. What do you think the Americans developed the SR-71 for? (Yes, I appreciate its now out of service - but only because it isn't required these days due to increases in tech and.. oh, UAV's)

if America tried to spy on the Iranians with this then the Iranians had every right to shoot it down and tough to the yanks.

if it was simply out of contact/control lost then again Iran had every right to shoot it down to protect their people from accidents caused by an unknown, unresponsive aircraft crashing there.

I have not at any point claimed that Iran were wrong to shoot it down, blow it up, jam it, infact do anything they want to it. It was in Iranian airspace so for whatever reason - mistake or otherwise - bad luck Uncle Sam.

Whats amusing is the outrage over it. So what!

Tefal · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:09

[TW]Fox;20752078 said:
We would if we could be reasonably sure they wouldn't be detected or intercepted. What do you think the Americans developed the SR-71 for?

A time when such a thing was considered "reasonable", iran and this thing using deliberately outdated stealth stuff, don't really count as reasonable.

I have not at any point claimed that Iran were wrong to shoot it down, blow it up, jam it, infact do anything they want to it. It was in Iranian airspace so for whatever reason - mistake or otherwise - bad luck Uncle Sam.

so why did you reply with that to someone making the same point as you? :confused:

Whats amusing is the outrage over it. So what

well because it's a large threat to civilians and if intentional would be a monumentally stupid thing to do.

[TW]Fox · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:09

Tefal said:
so why did you reply with that to someone making the same point as you?

I didn't - I replied to somebody saying 'so if the Iranians fly a spyplane over the UK', which implied it was wrong to use spy drones.

It's not wrong to use spy drones but you cannot complain, be outraged or be suprised when the people you are spying on spot it and do what they see fit with it

well because it's a large threat to civilians and if intentional would be a monumentally stupid thing to do.

An unarmed spy drone isn't a large threat to civilians.

EdGey · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:10

It does look quite fake as well to be honest. Not sure if it's just the beige paint job which is making it look so.

Pretty sure they can be armed^

trigger-happy · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:11

Looks Iran filed a complaint to the UN for the US spy drone.

Craterloads · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:12

[TW]Fox;20752078 said:
Whats amusing is the outrage over it. So what!

So you would be fine, with Iran flying drones over the UK? Which is what you originally responded with "the Russians do it over the UK"

You have absolutely no point what so ever. What are you even trying to say.

Tefal · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:13

[TW]Fox;20752112 said:
An unarmed spy drone isn't a large threat to civilians.

An unknown and unresponsive aircraft you have no control over is however.

An aircraft doesn't need weapons to be incredibly dangerous.

Haydz · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:14

Kemik said:
I thought these drones were programmed to return to home base when they lose signal?

Why would it return to homebase? It's not a DIY handyman

After following this saga I was curious about how much it would cost to build a basic drone, found a rather nice diydrone website

[TW]Fox · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:15

Craterloads said:
So you would be fine, with Iran flying drones over the UK?

I would be amazed if Iranian intelligence do not have intelligence about our military installations, gained through means other than by asking us - ie, spying. How that was gathered I've no idea. Does it bother me? Of course not. Why would it? Governments across the globe gather intelligence through all sorts of means - some less official than others.

This time the Americans screwed up, and as a result they've lost a drone over it. It wont be the last and it certainly isn't the first.

Craterloads · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:16

[TW]Fox;20752151 said:
I would be amazed if Iranian intelligence do not have intelligence about our military installations, gained through means other than by asking us - ie, spying. How that was gathered I've no idea. Does it bother me? Of course not. Why would it? Governments across the globe gather intelligence through all sorts of means - some less official than others.

This time the Americans screwed up, and as a result they've lost a drone over it. It wont be the last and it certainly isn't the first.

Again i ask "So you would be fine, with Iran flying drones over the UK?"

Let me help you “no i would not be happy if the Iranians breached our airspace, possibly endangering UK lives and violating our airspace and sovereignty. Especially if the Iranians were planning to bomb our nuclear sites i would suggest a military response"