Tories lost the 2019 election among working age adults

[Ahleckz]

Why not? Do we not all use the same services?

Income tax often doesn’t cover services used, more often this is council tax which covers this (or at least tries to). Council tax is inherently unfair and needs fundamental reform. However, it also hits the poor harder .
Adding a few percent onto the higher and additional rate means those that can afford it can offset the costs for those who can’t.
We should absolutely also be ensuring we are collecting the taxes from corporations as well, but the changes in income tax is an easy option, with direct good consequences and few downsides.

Scotland’s income tax rates are higher than England by 1%, and I’ve not heard of any major issues with this.

 

[fez]

The best idea is a wealth tax IMO. Much simpler and takes into account people who just play the system to not only pay the square root of FA tax but active suck money from the poor into their own pockets.

 

[hurfdurf]

Why not? Do we not all use the same services?

We live in a society

 

[tlrBeta]

We live in a society

Indeed we do

 

[Tefal]

You literally quoted me saying "you may have to swallow your distaste at a few layabouts getting a free meal to ensure a viable workforce in the future", and just responded talking about a few layabouts.

At least try to argue in good faith.

Well no youre saying that you need them to breed a viable workforce.

Absolutely not true though given outcomes for them.

You'd have a more viable workforce through getting rid of them and importing adult immigrants.


But same problem getting rid, or stopping them breeding are the worst outcome morally

 

[cheesyboy]

New Statesman article on the plummeting fertility rate :

https://www.newstatesman.com/commen...ate-is-falling-its-why-anyone-has-kids-at-all

Relevant to the thread:

If the government is genuinely concerned about the birth rate there are things it could do: make renting more secure, or invest massively in childcare or, hell, even reform planning rules to build enough new family homes. But it has so far chosen not to do those things — chosen, indeed, to raise taxes on the young to protect the interests of the old. This is not an irrational way for a government elected by the grey vote to behave. By the same token, waiting much, much later to have kids is not an irrational way for the under-40s to behave either.

 

[cheesyboy]

More anti-young policy from our gerontocracy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499662345378873349

Just absurd.

 

[fez]

Just absurd.

Just mind blowing. The generation that have had it all, ****** the environment and will all be dead before the bomb they have planted goes off want the youth of today to pay to disarm and dispose of it.

 

[chrcoluk]

Just mind blowing. The generation that have had it all, ****** the environment and will all be dead before the bomb they have planted goes off want the youth of today to pay to disarm and dispose of it.

Mind boggling.

 

[Luckystrike123]

I've actually been enraged by this green energy proposal. Not often that this happens.

The young and working age people have just spent an inordinate amount of money protecting old frail people from COVID, and this is what is being proposed?

I'm really starting to hate this ******** of a country.

 

[cheesyboy]

Zarah makes a fair point. Yet more weight on the shoulders of younger people

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514213176900034563

 

[I_M_Weasel]

Zarah makes a fair point. Yet more weight on the shoulders of younger people

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514213176900034563

They must want it to never be paid back.

 

[Fubsy]

They must want it to never be paid back.

That's probably the idea, it's another tax.

 

[cheesyboy]

They must want it to never be paid back.

Indeed. There's a not-insignificant chance the next move will be to extend the 30 year write-off to 40, too.

With costs of living escalating, secure housing becoming a pipe dream for many, this kind of extended burden is just going to see our plummeting fertility rate completely collapse.

 

[Freakbro]

Indeed. There's a not-insignificant chance the next move will be to extend the 30 year write-off to 40, too.

Hasn't that already been announced?

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/202...s-instead-of-30-in-higher-education-shake-up/

The student loan repayment term will also be extended to 40 years for new borrowers from September 2023, to ensure more students repay their loan in full, taking into account the fact that people are now working and earning for longer.

 

[cheesyboy]

Hasn't that already been announced?

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/202...s-instead-of-30-in-higher-education-shake-up/

******* hell.

 

[HACO]

Zarah makes a fair point. Yet more weight on the shoulders of younger people

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514213176900034563

It's a tax on the young. No country in the world has such blatant ageism in their policies, this country is so hostile to the young.

 

[Dis86]

It about time the old subsidised something really...increase in tuition fees paid by the young, massive increase in student loan interest charges, increase in national insurance contributions.

 

[Freakbro]

Now can we argue about what constitutes "old" like we do with "rich"?

As long as it's older than me then all's good!

 

[Dis86]

Now can we argue about what constitutes "old" like we do with "rich"?

As long as it's older than me then all's good!

That's a fair line in the sand!

I'd say anyone currently short of state pension age counts.