Total War: Pharaoh

The main problem is the £50 price tag. It's already £27 on cdkeys, and even that is to much.

It is essentially a reskin of a game they've made a million times before, and in a region/historical era that probably isn't that popular/a bit niche.
 
Poneros said:
Nah, the game is good. If you liked Troy and like this setting then it's worth playing. Most complaints are around pricing & theme, but that's not a fault of the game itself.
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The player numbers say otherwise.

Total War: PHARAOH - Steam Charts

An ongoing analysis of Steam's player numbers, seeing what's been played the most.
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Yeah, I think if you liked Troy then you'll also like this but that's not saying much, it's watered down TW, as well as price, there's the fact that most of the scope of the Bronze Age Map is missing. There's a sea borne invader yet no naval combat :rolleyes:, and of course it's another hero based TW which the long term community hates, and little replayability. The battles are terrible again, no surprise there.

It's a lazy reskin with the scope of a DLC.

I think the way HTW games are best measured is with the longevity of the game and this unlike the earlier games will be dead in a year, it will be interesting to see if the four DLC's they've already sold people within the Dynasty Edition ever see the light of day.

Which edition did you buy?
 
Apex said:
Which edition did you buy?
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A friend has it, I tried it on his acc for a bit, was mostly curious about performance. I'm not really playing it yet, still stuck on Path of Exile (which has had my every gaming minute since league launch). There's just way too much to play this year, still haven't even gotten around to Phantom Liberty or finishing Baldur's Gate 3. I think that's also a big reason many games aren't selling so well, the saturation is thick (f.ex. Deck13 is one of my fav devs and I haven't even touched their latest game that also launched recently - Atlas Fallen; normally I'd be all on it day 1).
Jono8 said:
But Troy was free :p
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True, but I did end up buying it on steam with all the DLC + for workshop support. Without trying it I probably would not have bought it. #MarketingThatWorks :cry:
 
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In depth into the fall of TW. I've watched this guys vids in the best in particular the ones surrounding the engine and why the battles now suck, got down into really granular detail and testing, he knows his stuff, but definitely not one for the fanboi's to watch.

Lots of insight from current/former CA devs and above, interesting look at the management structiure and how that affects game dev too. He's clearly got inside sources or he would not have knowledge of this sort of thing.

If you ever wondered why your decades old franchises now suck I think you can exptrapolate a lot of this out to many old IP's whch have gone backwards/stagnated rather than hitting the heights they should have.

Clip @ 19:50 says it all.
 
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bakes0310 said:
Bit gutted really as it was my favourite series, loved majority of the total war games. Luckily I still enjoy the older ones especially with the mods but it's sad that the series is coming to an end.
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Some of the mods like DEI and the Empire series look mental. I really wish I could commit the time to get into them.
 
Jim99 said:
Can't say I'm surprised after a launch that underwhelming. The people with the cash are probably wondering what the point is investing more money into similar releases.
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Well, that's their own fault for asset stripping the IP - even the battered wife/CA simps have had enough. They have consistently done the exact opposite of what their customers wanted, gradually decreasing the quality and scope of the games whilst increasing prices, and going down the yearly release cycle route. The engine is now out of date and totally screwed and they will not spend any resources on fixing it.

So eventually Historical Total War has ended up where it was always going to, with a low effort POS title no-one wanted to buy. When you strip all the value out of your product for short-term financial gain then eventiually you have nothing worth selling.

They haven't "invested" in this series at all, they have stolen all its inherent value.
 
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Apex said:
The player numbers say otherwise.
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Player numbers are an indication of quality? :confused:

Quality isn't the reason for the drop off in player count. In terms of quality, Pharaoh is on-par with most Total War releases of the past decade. The issue is that people are getting bored of the stale Total War formula at the same time as Creative Assembly are trying to milk their customer base. Pharaoh is basically a Troy reskin, but the RRP is £15 higher than Troy's. And there was already ill will within the Total War community after Warhammer DLC prices went up & content (and bug fixes) went down.

They need to take a break. Focus on Warhammer 3 post-release content & bug fixes & dump any future Historical projects that aren't Empire 2 or Medieval 3. Hopefully the money is there to allow them to do that. If not, this could be the beginning of the end of Total War (unless Sega sells CA to someone with deep pockets, i.e. Microsoft).
 
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McPhee said:
Player numbers are an indication of quality? :confused:

Quality isn't the reason for the drop off in player count. In terms of quality, Pharaoh is on-par with most Total War releases of the past decade. The issue is that people are getting bored of the stale Total War formula at the same time as Creative Assembly are trying to milk their customer base. Pharaoh is basically a Troy reskin, but the RRP is £15 higher than Troy's. And there was already ill will within the Total War community after Warhammer DLC prices went up & content (and bug fixes) went down.

They need to take a break. Focus on Warhammer 3 post-release content & bug fixes & dump any future Historical projects that aren't Empire 2 or Medieval 3.
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I think it's a reasonable indicator, not many great games have poor sales. It's well below in terms of quality, even for the dumspter fire HTW has turned into over the last 10 years. No, people are not getting bored of the TW formula at all, they're sick of garbage tier release, there's people happily playing modded TW games from 20 years ago, the STEAM numbers show they're more popular than crappy Pharaoh, tommorow night RIS 6.0 launches on Rome Remastered, I'll be playing that, 20 years after I first played the original...

There's plenty of appetite for the foumla, but the trouble is CA threw their copy away, the community is still hoping they can find it.

They're not capable of making the MTW3 or New Empire game to the standard we all want, that studio doesn't really exist and in any case thee's no way the suits would give then the 5 years or the latitude it would take.

What's CA been up to today? It looks like a pogrom of the STEAM forums apparently mass bannings, deleted threads etc...that'll save your studio guys...

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I have to admit i voted with my wallet ages ago! After buying Thrones on a steam sale and realising it was a massive pile of ***** and not enjoying it where as I should have enjoyed it because I really love the vikings time period I realised that CA and total war is dead to me. This is coming from someone who was front row center at CA's Rome 2 total war reveal at Brighton, forgave them for the poor release of empires, Loved Shogun 2 to bits and was a orginal shogun 1 player when it first came out!! Even Rome 1 had me at the time.

These days they seem to be more interested in copying the Chinese Communist party and the current Russian government propaganda in misinformation and censorship then actually creating a proper fun game that people can get behind.... sad times really, hope they can sort it out but I think its end days for CA as progessive company.
 
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