Tower block fire - london

[Scam]

It feels a lot like some council/building management types are going to be heading to jail over this.

 

[glenimp617]

Considering the council were told time and time again the building was a death trap, and now 12 people are confirmed dead I wouldn't be surprised if we see another london riot

 

[glenimp617]

It feels a lot like some council/building management types are going to be heading to jail over this.

You know what, I bet this is swept under the carpet with a catchphrase "lessons must be learnt"

 

[dowie]

In other words gentrification. London has seen more than enough of that already. Key workers and ordinary working people already find it extremely hard to find affordable housing anywhere in London.

gentrification... so basically improving an area and making it a nice place to live - seems like a good thing IMO

I don't see why you can't provide housing for key workers - though most of the moaning about gentrification simply comes from people who want to live in a nice area and can't afford to

 

[Tefal]

Considering the council were told time and time again the building was a death trap, and now 12 people are confirmed dead I wouldn't be surprised if we see another london riot

if it was a company i could see jail time a council i can see an "improvmements will be made" speach and a sideways department move

 

[Tefal]

gentrification... so basically improving an area and making it a nice place to live - seems like a good thing IMO

I don't see why you can't provide housing for key workers - though most of the moaning about gentrification simply comes from people who want to live in a nice area and can't afford to

i belive gentrification is the replaceement off the local population with richer people, not simply making the area better

 

[dowie]

Considering the council were told time and time again the building was a death trap, and now 12 people are confirmed dead I wouldn't be surprised if we see another london riot

I'm not sure a riot over building standards is likely to occur

 

[IronWarrior]

The problem is it'd take way too long to inflate. It could hypothetically be done, but creating something which could inflate fast enough would involve a frame, which would kind of defeat the purpose of it being quick to erect and portable. Even if it were possible, you'd need to surround the building with them otherwise the occupants would have to travel across a potentially lethal building to get to it.

It's not a bad idea though, with enough development and financing I'm sure something could come of it.

From a little research, deploying them and inflating them only takes a few minutes and there are many air bags that can handle 20 floor jumps or 192 fleet.

You wouldn't surround the building with them at every spot, just a few of them, they easy transported too, they can be moved already inflated depending on their size. Easy moved when deployed to move to the correct spots.

For cities or towns with tall buildings, I would think it would be the responsibility and duty of care of the cities and towns council to have a few of these bought for the Fire Service ready to be used in mass for events like this.

These are proven life savers, god knows how many lives could had been saved if they had them. There is already reports of people throwing their babies out of windows from the 10th floor.

In the end, the building should had been designed better/upgraded better, but we live in a world where nothing is prefect so we have to make up safety nets for when things fail.

Clearly when the chance of being saved is slim to nill, it's better to risk jumping then stay and burn to death.

 

[dowie]

i belive gentrification is the replaceement off the local population with richer people, not simply making the area better

well if you make the area better you tend to make it cost more too, this can both hinder and benefit the existing population - for plenty of them they too become richer as their houses rise in value

 

[MooMoo444]

Death toll doubled since I last looked, feel it's only going to keep going given the sort of building.

 

[glenimp617]

You know what, I bet this is swept under the carpet with a catchphrase "lessons must be learnt"

and there we go. Sky News 17:31 "lessons must be learnt"

 

[robfosters]

Scummy TV crews trying to shove cameras into grieving people's faces. Not surprised they nearly got a smack.

 

[Tefal]

well if you make the area better you tend to make it cost more too, this can both hinder and benefit the existing population - for plenty of them they too become richer as their houses rise in value

however if you know thier block of council flats down and replace them with a modern expensive high rise yopu havent really donme anything but make them homeless...

 

[Cern]

gentrification... so basically improving an area and making it a nice place to live - seems like a good thing IMO

I don't see why you can't provide housing for key workers - though most of the moaning about gentrification simply comes from people who want to live in a nice area and can't afford to

Gentrification is improving an area and making it nice for OTHER (usually richer) people to live in, not the people who are currently living there. Existing residents are usually relocated elsewhere, usually somewhere that is not an improvement in their living conditions and usually much much further from where they work and have their communities.

 

[dowie]

but isnt th problem they cxant kikck the social housing residents out of high value areas as its against thier right to a family life/purging so theres no incentive for a developer to build a modern new development for a group he could never hope to pay the rent?

well there are various problems here - I don't see why we need to provide social housing in say Westminster or Kensington and Chelsea in the first place given the value of the real estate in those areas, it would seem to be a much more efficient use of resources to sell it and provide more housing elsewhere...

(these are already rather well off areas tbh... - I think it is safe to say they're already mostly gentrified)

 

[Tefal]

From a little research, deploying them and inflating them only takes a few minutes and there are many air bags that can handle 20 floor jumps or 192 fleet.

You wouldn't surround the building with them at every spot, just a few of them, they easy transported too, they can be moved already inflated depending on their size. Easy moved when deployed to move to the correct spots.

For cities or towns with tall buildings, I would think it would be the responsibility and duty of care of the cities and towns council to have a few of these bought for the Fire Service ready to be used in mass for events like this.

These are proven life savers, god knows how many lives could had been saved if they had them. There is already reports of people throwing their babies out of windows from the 10th floor.

In the end, the building should had been designed better/upgraded better, but we live in a world where nothing is prefect so we have to make up safety nets for when things fail.

Clearly when the chance of being saved is slim to nill, it's better to risk jumping then stay and burn to death.

looking at all the burning stuff falling from the buildings wouldnt they just get destroyed?


and be a bit risky for the firefighters?

 

[Rroff]

well there are various problems here - I don't see why we need to provide social housing in say Westminster or Kensington and Chelsea in the first place given the value of the real estate in those areas, it would seem to be a much more efficient use of resources to sell it and provide more housing elsewhere...

(these are already rather well off areas tbh... - I think it is safe to say they're already mostly gentrified)

But where does it stop?

 

[dowie]

Gentrification is improving an area and making it nice for OTHER (usually richer) people to live in, not the people who are currently living there. Existing residents are usually relocated elsewhere, usually somewhere that is not an improvement in their living conditions and usually much much further from where they work and have their communities.

that is sort of the point I'm making - why do we need to have council hosing (mostly used by people who are either economically inactive or contribute very little) in prime areas of London

we've got big housing waiting lists all over London and you could build far more homes with the proceeds

But where does it stop?

I'd say all of zone 1 and draw a line somewhere in the expensive parts of zone 2 for a start... where to draw the line is a bit of an open question but it seems clear to me that there is little point in housing someone with no job in a flat in central London worth say 600k

 

[JohnnyG]

well there are various problems here - I don't see why we need to provide social housing in say Westminster or Kensington and Chelsea in the first place given the value of the real estate in those areas, it would seem to be a much more efficient use of resources to sell it and provide more housing elsewhere...

(these are already rather well off areas tbh... - I think it is safe to say they're already mostly gentrified)

This isn't a very upmarket part of Kensington by the way and there are plenty of parts of the borough that aren't.
It's not all castles and mansions.

 

[Cern]

that is sort of the point I'm making - why do we need to have council hosing (mostly used by people who are either economically inactive or contribute very little) in prime areas of London

we've got big housing waiting lists all over London and you could build far more homes with the proceeds

You think that most of the people living in Grenfell Tower were "economically inactive" or "contributing very little"? Seriously?