It'll take many weeks to recover all that needs recovering, gather evidence etc. But after that I can't see how they'll do anything other than demolish it. What replaces it remains to be seen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not social housing.
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It'll take many weeks to recover all that needs recovering, gather evidence etc. But after that I can't see how they'll do anything other than demolish it. What replaces it remains to be seen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not social housing.
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I was actually
As someone who was optimistic and hopeful of her when she came to power, i can't wait for her to go. She's fast becoming one of our worst prime ministers and yes I do include Gordon useless I sold all the gold boom and bust brown.
In the words of Dave were all in it together pig lover Cameron "for heaven's sake woman, just go"
As someone who was optimistic and hopeful of her when she came to power, i can't wait for her to go. She's fast becoming one of our worst prime ministers and yes I do include Gordon useless I sold all the gold boom and bust brown.
In the words of Dave were all in it together pig lover Cameron "for heaven's sake woman, just go"
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Drip feeding fatality total? Are you implying that they are being intentionally scummy about it?
I think its more like you can't just walk in a place and go 'yeah looks like we have some fatalities here' and put it on a chalk board. Needs to be confirmed and carefully verified so as not to generate confusion. given that they can't access all parts of the building yet (especially the edges which may be unsafe) then I don't think there is anything shady going on. "The establishment" is not the evil answer to everything.
That being said, I think that ultimately they or possibly criminally negligent councils/building contractors are to blame here... just not for casualty counts.
I think its more like you can't just walk in a place and go 'yeah looks like we have some fatalities here' and put it on a chalk board. Needs to be confirmed and carefully verified so as not to generate confusion. given that they can't access all parts of the building yet (especially the edges which may be unsafe) then I don't think there is anything shady going on. "The establishment" is not the evil answer to everything.
That being said, I think that ultimately they or possibly criminally negligent councils/building contractors are to blame here... just not for casualty counts.
I find it strange they haven't even been able to put a number on those missing yet. I fear it's so high they don't want it to get out but the public will join the dots locally eventually.
As I said earlier there a lots of people on Twitter who are looking for families of 3 or 4 people
The idea they all share we'll deal with it if it happens but lets face it, we're all expendable. When this is over most of it will have been forgotten except those who it affected. It is the same for any disaster. Sadly.
All I'm hearing at the moment is politicians trying to save their asses and will likely try and blame the builders.
that isn't clear at all - also don't conflate the number rescued with the number who walked out when hearing alarms or being woken by neighbours
deaths presumably have to be confirmed - you can't just assume someone who is missing is 'dead'
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It does appear that the authorities are, for whatever reason being very cagey about what information they release. They must have at least some idea of the number of people missing by now.
AFAIK a lot more than 65 got out - but they won't have been able to reach the upper floors in any capacity to do proper sweeps yet so real numbers will take some time - pretty sure its going to be going above 40 though based on what some residents said.
Point taken, although I don't agree that everyone does it. If I can't afford something of reasonable quality, I prefer to go without. Cheap junk usually breaks. Fine if it's a cheap gadget. Not so much if it's something potentially dangerous. Obviously the "go without" option is not something that applies when it comes to fire safety, or at least shouldn't be an option. But there's a big difference between doing something cost effectively and 'on the cheap'.
As for drip feeding, perhaps. But it's probably hard to collate an accurate list because of how things unfolded and they need to confirm if those reported as missing are actually dead. They should at least be upfront about the number of missing though.
it was a pretty silly one tbh...
There was something kind of odd going on for the first hour after the story broke - almost every person live streaming it on youtube suddenly went offline after a few minutes with their account suspended shortly after - some of them took to streaming on facebook claiming they were being knocked off other sites.
Youtube policy or Barwell conspiracy. You decide.
Yet these videos are infinitely useful for investigation purposes... as well as transparency.
I've not seen it at other events to be fair - I was watching a number of streams that went offline after a few minutes with the account disabled shortly after - saw it for myself. What the actual explanation is dunno but never seen youtube policy enacted that quickly at other disasters, etc. that have been live streamed by the general population.
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Sky have a lot of faults but the newscaster presenting at the moment does seem like a genuinely nice bloke. I suppose when you have been at the scene for such a long time talking to so many people, you begin to feel part of it.
Likely those people made a nice fee from it. Why else does nearly everyone film these events?
How would they know that?
Even if they had an exact figure for the number of people who lived in the block, there's no way of knowing how many people were at home at the time or how many people had visitors over. "Some idea" of the numbers is not good enough. They cant just guess the numbers when making an official statement, they need to be sure.