we decided to go down the mines with my mining pack and new lantern / torch that i made
thanks Raggs, couldn't have made the mining pack without you, times out so quick, no idea how you managed to make one on your own
we went down via televator, then went down another level, and we killed everything and still couldn't find a way down, apparently mines change every 2 weeks, and thus the way down was solid rock, we spent hours down trying to find it , so we came back with 25 crystal, but got a few more gold and iron though
The torch is isnt too bad, i like the idea of actually holding it in one hand and when you need to you can pop it up and attach it to the stand
it would be better if it was from the back , rather than sides i think