Traffic filters will divide Oxford into six '15 minute' neighbourhoods

[SexyGreyFox]

They tell us to cut our use of oil, yet they fly solo.

Tyler Perry tells us to cut our use of oil?
If so what a hypocrite.

 

[Mr Jack]

Old cities might not have been built around cars, but have you seen new build housing estates? Zero provision for car parking at all. It’s utterly horrible. One of my friends lives in Portishead and the new developments around the docks are absolutely rammed with cars parked on every pavement, because all the 2 bed flats rented to 2 adults, have 0 or only 1 parking space.

I'm coming round to the view that cities should follow the Japanese model and require proof that you have a place to park your car before you're allowed to buy one.

I'm generally against making driving unaffordable. Makes it seem ok for the rich to pollute as long as they pay a bit more and punishes the poor. I'd much rather see LTNs or other traffic filters that impact everyone equally.

The poor will benefit most from setting things up to be carless. It's much cheaper to ride good public transport and cycle than it is to maintain and run a car. While there are some things that shouldn't be gated behind earning a good income - healthcare being the most obvious - I don't really see that using a car should be there. Rich people have more stuff and can do more things; that's just how money works. If we're not okay with that, well what's the alternative organisation of society we want?

 

[Uther]

I'm coming round to the view that cities should follow the Japanese model and require proof that you have a place to park your car before you're allowed to buy one.



The poor will benefit most from setting things up to be carless. It's much cheaper to ride good public transport and cycle than it is to maintain and run a car. While there are some things that shouldn't be gated behind earning a good income - healthcare being the most obvious - I don't really see that using a car should be there. Rich people have more stuff and can do more things; that's just how money works. If we're not okay with that, well what's the alternative organisation of society we want?

We live in the countryside, I think there's a bus once every couple of hours or so here, a few days a week. First bus at 9.30am when it bothers to turn up. The next village has a bus twice a week. How's that public transport going to work for people...

 

[Mr Jack]

We live in the countryside, I think there's a bus once every couple of hours or so here, a few days a week. First bus at 9.30am when it bothers to turn up. The next village has a bus twice a week. How's that public transport going to work for people...

I mean "cities" is a key word in that post. The needs of cities and rural areas are different.

It will probably never make sense to provide sufficiently good public transport to rural areas for the cars not to be useful. Still, things like on-demand buses (basically, a shared taxi service) are being rolled out near me and they seem really pretty cool. Also decent cycling infrastructure connecting villages to nearby towns makes a big difference.

 

[Uther]

I mean "cities" is a key word in that post. The needs of cities and rural areas are different.

It will probably never make sense to provide sufficiently good public transport to rural areas for the cars not to be useful. Still, things like on-demand buses (basically, a shared taxi service) are being rolled out near me and they seem really pretty cool. Also decent cycling infrastructure connecting villages to nearby towns makes a big difference.

Maybe in Germany, where I found public transport pretty damn good, but it's a fantasy to think it will work outside cities in the UK imo.

 

[Trifid]

I'm coming round to the view that cities should follow the Japanese model and require proof that you have a place to park your car before you're allowed to buy one.



The poor will benefit most from setting things up to be carless. It's much cheaper to ride good public transport and cycle than it is to maintain and run a car. While there are some things that shouldn't be gated behind earning a good income - healthcare being the most obvious - I don't really see that using a car should be there. Rich people have more stuff and can do more things; that's just how money works. If we're not okay with that, well what's the alternative organisation of society we want?

I just see there are alternate ways to make driving less appealing for short trips and accept their necessity for longer trips where alternatives don't exist. LTNs have the benefit of returning cut through roads back to quiet residential neighbourhoods and may have minimal or no negative impact on personal finances, and as you say positive results when people chose alternatives, especially walking or cycling. Another option would be removal of parking in heavily congested cities, if people know you will not get parked close to your destination you will chose alternative modes.

 

[hurfdurf]

We live in the countryside, I think there's a bus once every couple of hours or so here, a few days a week. First bus at 9.30am when it bothers to turn up. The next village has a bus twice a week. How's that public transport going to work for people...

Why are you asking this question when the person you are replying to clearly said “Cities”?

If someone wants to live in no where’s ville where cars aren’t a problem for residents in anyway, they are welcome to, they just aren’t allowed to bring their cars into the cities when they want to, without paying massively for the privilege. They can park and ride etc as an alternative.

 

[Rroff]

Why are you asking this question when the person you are replying to clearly said “Cities”?

If someone wants to live in no where’s ville where cars aren’t a problem for residents in anyway, they are welcome to, they just aren’t allowed to bring their cars into the cities when they want to, without paying massively for the privilege. They can park and ride etc as an alternative.

Most people coming from the countryside into the city don't do it by choice... and the people suggesting these things would soon change their tune I'm sure if they were the ones having to use park and ride LOL as happened in a couple of bigger towns near me.

 

[hurfdurf]

Most people coming from the countryside into the city don't do it by choice... and the people suggesting these things would soon change their tune I'm sure if they were the ones having to use park and ride LOL as happened in a couple of bigger towns near me.

Why would people in the city use park and ride though?

People who live in a good big city make the sacrifices to live there, the cost premium, the crime, the density of people. For too long have non city dwellers come to the city to leech the benefits of the city without paying their fair share. Polluting and being traffic. It’s time cities put an end to this freeloading. Either non city people should embrace the non city life completely and deal with their choice to have a nice big cheap house in the middle of no where and it’s local benefits and drawbacks, or they need to pay the premium to benefit from cities.

I personally think we should start buildings walls. Giant walls. Keep non city residents out. They aren’t sending their best. A giant wall. And the villagers can pay for it. There will be a gate, and they can enter, but only legally. No more freeloading villagers! Make cities great again. Cities for city people.

 

[Rroff]

Why would people in the city use park and ride though?

People who live in a good big city make the sacrifices to live there, the cost premium, the crime, the density of people. For too long have non city dwellers come to the city to leech the benefits of the city without paying their fair share. Polluting and being traffic. It’s time cities put an end to this freeloading. Either non city people should embrace the non city life completely and deal with their choice to have a nice big cheap house in the middle of no where and it’s local benefits and drawbacks, or they need to pay the premium to benefit from cities.

I personally think we should start buildings walls. Giant walls. Keep non city residents out. They aren’t sending their best. A giant wall. And the villagers can pay for it. There will be a gate, and they can enter, but only legally. No more freeloading villagers! Make cities great again. Cities for city people.

Pretending you were making a serious point - I never said people in the city would use park and ride - I said they'd soon have a different opinion if the boot was on the other foot.

 

[hurfdurf]

Pretending you were making a serious point - I never said people in the city would use park and ride - I said they'd soon have a different opinion if the boot was on the other foot.

I don’t understand your point? You think people in the city would complain they had to use a park and ride to visit a village?

The point I’m making is it’s a choice. You literally chose which foot the boot is on.

I think it’s only fair people in villages pay towards cities they leech from or at least stop impacting cities so negatively, and having people have to pay for car use is one of them. The ULEZ’s are a great example of this but we need to go further,

 

[Rroff]

I don’t understand your point? You think people in the city would complain they had to use a park and ride to visit a village?

The point I’m making is it’s a choice. You literally chose which foot the boot is on.

I think it’s only fair people in villages pay towards cities they leech from or at least stop impacting cities so negatively, and having people have to pay for car use is one of them. The ULEZ’s are a great example of this but we need to go further,

Why would anyone from a city visit a village? don't they have everything they need within 15 minutes of them?

 

[Efour]

Only by people who want to see something that isn't there. It originates from around 1542 in ancient Greece and refers to a farming implement.

Oh but words evolve, words have power.
Gay meant happy once upon a time don't you know. ...?
I.n my old part of London saying call a spade a spade would 100% raise a few eyebrows. Even though we all know the meaning of the phrase
So sadly just because one persons lived experience isn't the same as another's we can't simply dismiss that
Remember when the ok finger gesture was a thing, now it's a Nazi supremist salute.
World's a weird place.

 

[hurfdurf]

Why would anyone from a city visit a village? don't they have everything they need within 15 minutes of them?

Exactly…. The reverse isn’t a problem so the boot being on the other foot makes zero sense.

People in cities are already paying for and making the cities what they are. It’s non city people coming in that are the problem.

 

[hurfdurf]

“spade a spade”is that a racist term he used, so he is far right then.

I’ve never heard of that phrase be deemed racist and I’m the most woke person on this board. In the 50’s some Americans started using spade as an insult towards black people but it didn’t take off over here or in general to the point where most people have never known it to be used in that way, and wouldn’t know what you were talking about if you called someone a spade.

At a guess you are being disingenuous.

 

[Mrwong]

I’ve never heard of that phrase be deemed racist and I’m the most woke person on this board. In the 50’s some Americans started using spade as an insult towards black people but it didn’t take off over here or in general to the point where most people have never known it to be used in that way, and wouldn’t know what you were talking about if you called someone a spade.

At a guess you are being disingenuous.

That word is very well known, specially in London..
As someone else said above.

If you are from a small village then maybe you have not heard of that or many other words. Maybe you lack street know how or street vocabulary (putting it nicely).

This term has been used in London, the mayor should not have used it when discussing pollution.

I suppose your answer itself shows closeness.and lack of regional awareness,

You say you are "woke", ie open-minded, woke are far from it, wokes are control freak's, selfish and like to impose their sociopath cult behavior.

What you think does not really matter. Your negative connotations show lack of neutrality.

Here is a link to London Paper, to dismiss your appalling analyses.

Everyday sayings that are actually racist

Next time someone calls a spade a spade, send them this video.

metro.co.uk

 

[dlockers]

That word is very well known, specially in London..
As someone else said above.

If you are from a small village then maybe you have not heard of that or many other words. Maybe you lack street know how or street vocabulary (putting it nicely).

This term has been used in London, the mayor should not have used it when discussing pollution.

I suppose your answer itself shows closeness.and lack of regional awareness,

You say you are "woke", ie open-minded, woke are far from it, wokes are control freak's, selfish and like to impose their sociopath cult behavior.

What you think does not really matter. Your negative connotations show lack of neutrality.

Here is a link to London Paper, to dismiss your appalling analyses.

Everyday sayings that are actually racist

Next time someone calls a spade a spade, send them this video.

metro.co.uk

Did you read your own dribble?

‘Long time no see’ and ‘no can do’​

Everyday sayings ‘long time no see’ and ‘no can do’ also have horrifying origins, thought to have originally been picked up as a way of mocking immigrants using pidgin English or non-native forms of English.

 

[Mr Jack]

Here is a link to London Paper, to dismiss your appalling analyses.

Everyday sayings that are actually racist

Next time someone calls a spade a spade, send them this video.

metro.co.uk

Except that's a pile of droppings. The phrase "calling a spade a spade" entered the English language from a 1542 translation of an ancient Greek text and long predates the early 20th century usage of 'spade' as a slur. I'm not saying that it's never been used in a racist fashion but the idea it originated from that - as your link claims - is simply wrong. Given the lack of basic research in that first claim I'm inclined to dismiss the rest too.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Except that's a pile of droppings. The phrase "calling a spade a spade" entered the English language from a 1542 translation of an ancient Greek text and long predates the early 20th century usage of 'spade' as a slur. I'm not saying that it's never been used in a racist fashion but the idea it originated from that - as your link claims - is simply wrong. Given the lack of basic research in that first claim I'm inclined to dismiss the rest too.

To be fair it is a saying that is used by racists to imply something racist.

 

[Mrwong]

Did you read your own dribble?

‘Long time no see’ and ‘no can do’​

Everyday sayings ‘long time no see’ and ‘no can do’ also have horrifying origins, thought to have originally been picked up as a way of mocking immigrants using pidgin English or non-native forms of English.

He is woke, he should also exclude that from his vocabulary. Reactionary intolerance cult,

Again that is your point of view, selective opinions.