Traffic filters will divide Oxford into six '15 minute' neighbourhoods

Mr Jack said:
Except that's a pile of droppings. The phrase "calling a spade a spade" entered the English language from a 1542 translation of an ancient Greek text and long predates the early 20th century usage of 'spade' as a slur. I'm not saying that it's never been used in a racist fashion but the idea it originated from that - as your link claims - is simply wrong. Given the lack of basic research in that first claim I'm inclined to dismiss the rest too.
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Go investigate the term, I know, why don't you go to south London and use that term.
Or even better wait till August then visit Notting Hill Carnival, and say those words to a few people.

Btw if you do go let me know, I'll film the reactions.

Typical woke culture, I want to impose ideas on others. I want to restrict their movement or charge them to move from one area to another because we woke think it is best.

Yet, totally dismiss anything they feel or lack experience.
 
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Mrwong said:
Go investigate the term, I know why don't you go to south London and use that term.
Or even better wait till August then visit Notting Hill Carnival, and say those words to a few people.
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As I said, I'm not doubting it has been used by racists, but the idea that the phrase is primarily used that way or - as your link wrongly claims - originated in that way is wrong.
 
hurfdurf said:
Exactly…. The reverse isn’t a problem so the boot being on the other foot makes zero sense.

People in cities are already paying for and making the cities what they are. It’s non city people coming in that are the problem.
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Excellent I look forward to the nearly empty roads when they city people wall themselves in. And hopefully no more people moving in next to a farm then complaining because it makes noises and smells 24x7!
 
Rroff said:
Excellent I look forward to the nearly empty roads when they city people wall themselves in. And hopefully no more people moving in next to a farm then complaining because it makes noises and smells 24x7!
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Villages tend to have nearly empty roads already.

And whilst city people electing to move to villages are not really part of the issue, I have complete sympathy with the idea of people moving to a place and then wanting to change it despite knowing what they moved into. A lot of uk city nightlife is under threat for the same reasons.
 
Mrwong said:
That word is very well known, specially in London..
As someone else said above.

If you are from a small village then maybe you have not heard of that or many other words. Maybe you lack street know how or street vocabulary (putting it nicely).

This term has been used in London, the mayor should not have used it when discussing pollution.

I suppose your answer itself shows closeness.and lack of regional awareness,

You say you are "woke", ie open-minded, woke are far from it, wokes are control freak's, selfish and like to impose their sociopath cult behavior.

What you think does not really matter. Your negative connotations show lack of neutrality.

Here is a link to London Paper, to dismiss your appalling analyses.

metro.co.uk

Everyday sayings that are actually racist

Next time someone calls a spade a spade, send them this video.
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk
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Amy Willis of the Metro is your source? How droll.

Try something with a bit more academic clout


I live in the centre of a very multicultural city and took part in one of the biggest inner city protests seen in living history that bought down a racist statue.

Yes the word Spade is well known, it literally means gardening shovel. I will continued to use the term spade, and the phrase call a “spade a spade”, and much like the London Mayor, stand behind its original meaning.

If you want to cry about it feel free, that’s on you. It’s not racist to use the term spade. Feel free to try and do something about Sadiq or anyone doing so. My guess is you can’t or won’t.
 
hurfdurf said:
Villages tend to have nearly empty roads already.

And whilst city people electing to move to villages are not really part of the issue, I have complete sympathy with the idea of people moving to a place and then wanting to change it despite knowing what they moved into. A lot of uk city nightlife is under threat for the same reasons.
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Not so much these days - my village has well into the 1000s of vehicles a day pass through it and it isn't even on the main road. I think the last estimate was around 60 HGVs per hour! using it to cut through between the A303 and A30 :(
 
hurfdurf said:

Yes the word Spade is well known, it literally means gardening shovel. I will continued to use the term spade, and the phrase call a “spade a spade”, and much like the London Mayor, stand behind its original meaning.
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Yet your link argues the opposite:

So what does all of this mean for people who want to, well, "call a spade a spade"? I urge caution. Mieder concludes his case study with the argument that "to call a spade a spade" should be retired from modern usage: "Rather than taking the chance of unintentionally offending someone or of being misunderstood, it is best to relinquish the old innocuous proverbial expression all together."​

We may disagree with him, but it doesn't seem the link supports that.
 
Rroff said:
Not so much these days - my village has well into the 1000s of vehicles a day pass through it and it isn't even on the main road. I think the last estimate was around 60 HGVs per hour! using it to cut through between the A303 and A30 :(
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Sounds like you need a ULEZ or to build a wall!!
 
Mr Jack said:
Yet your link argues the opposite:

So what does all of this mean for people who want to, well, "call a spade a spade"? I urge caution. Mieder concludes his case study with the argument that "to call a spade a spade" should be retired from modern usage: "Rather than taking the chance of unintentionally offending someone or of being misunderstood, it is best to relinquish the old innocuous proverbial expression all together."​

We may disagree with him, but it doesn't seem the link supports that.
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You know a piece can contain information and a view point from a shill professor you don’t agree with at the same time. The work wouldn’t have been done without someone trying to make a name for themselves.
 
Well I visited Oxford this week, my first since the introduction and traffic on the Ring Road was worse in places than previously. Speaking to my local friends they largely think it's a nightmare. Want to go from West of the Town Centre to North of the Town Centre drive out down the Botley Road join the ring road then fight your way back in on either the Woodstock or Banbury Road. That must be so annoying. Apparently the bollards have been subject to a lot of vandlaism by annoyed locals too. Want to get from the North to the East now your only choice is the Ring Road and that is now more snarled than ever. Before you had 2 or 3 different ways of cutting across the city.

Honestly this stuff is going to cause real antagonism as it's spreads across the country.
 
PlacidCasual said:
Well I visited Oxford this week, my first since the introduction and traffic on the Ring Road was worse in places than previously. Speaking to my local friends they largely think it's a nightmare. Want to go from West of the Town Centre to North of the Town Centre drive out down the Botley Road join the ring road then fight your way back in on either the Woodstock or Banbury Road. That must be so annoying. Apparently the bollards have been subject to a lot of vandlaism by annoyed locals too. Want to get from the North to the East now your only choice is the Ring Road and that is now more snarled than ever. Before you had 2 or 3 different ways of cutting across the city.

Honestly this stuff is going to cause real antagonism as it's spreads across the country.
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There are currently no LTNs in West or North Oxford so not sure they're relevant to your experience. They're all currently located in East Oxford and Cowley. Anyone with experience living in Oxford would use the ring road to go from the North to East anyway as the other routes all go through the city centre unless you use the B4495 which is only double lane for a short length and then subject to traffic calming measures.

As a local to Oxford also, I'd be skeptical of trying to pin down the worsening traffic on the ring road purely to LTNs anyway. Some of the worst traffic I've experienced in my life has been in Oxford years prior to their introduction. One badly located set of temporary traffic lights for roadworks or an accident can have knock on effects that ruin traffic for everyone in Oxford (and surrounding areas) and that's just the way it's been for decades.

LTNs are trying to help that issue by discouraging car journeys in the first place - by making them more inconvenient.

Looking on Google Maps right now - a car journey from Botley to Summertown (West to North) would take 12 minutes through the city centre on the main roads, or 15 minutes on the ring road. It would take 18 minutes to cycle, or an hours walk. The latter may not be attractive options at the moment but come warmer weather, I know which I'd rather do.

At the busiest time that driving time lengthens to between 20 and 40 minutes using either route, or longer if an accident closes the A34 for example, making the cycling option even more attractive.

Obviously exceptions need to be made for those who cannot cycle or walk that distance or those with several kids etc, but then the removal of traffic should make their journeys easier too if enough people switch to other modes of transport. Making bus travel more affordable is something currently missing - as that would remove many many more cars from the roads.
 
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PlacidCasual said:
Well I visited Oxford this week, my first since the introduction and traffic on the Ring Road was worse in places than previously. Speaking to my local friends they largely think it's a nightmare. Want to go from West of the Town Centre to North of the Town Centre drive out down the Botley Road join the ring road then fight your way back in on either the Woodstock or Banbury Road. That must be so annoying. Apparently the bollards have been subject to a lot of vandlaism by annoyed locals too. Want to get from the North to the East now your only choice is the Ring Road and that is now more snarled than ever. Before you had 2 or 3 different ways of cutting across the city.

Honestly this stuff is going to cause real antagonism as it's spreads across the country.
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That's what, less then a mile? Have you considered walking? Not every journey needs to be taken by car.
 
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I have only the firsthand testimony of the people I was speaking to to go on. I haven't driven through the neighbourhoods myself yet. But the journey from Summertown to Cowley Works was mentioned as now being especially problematic because everything has to go around the ring road. Apparently Marston Ferry and other similar parallel routes are not available, I'm told.

@Trifid Try walking your van of tools from Osney Island up to Jericho rather than taking Hythe Bridge Street, was the explicit example given to me. Instead you fight your way out down the Botley Road and then back in on the Woodstock Road. I wouldn't wish that on an enemy. A journey I've happily walked in decent weather to go to the Bookbinders Arms but I wouldn't recommennd for a plumbing job.
 
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PlacidCasual said:
@Trifid Try walking your van of tools from Osney Island up to Jericho rather than taking Hythe Bridge Street, was the explicit example given to me. Instead you fight your way out down the Botley Road and then back in on the Woodstock Road. I wouldn't wish that on an enemy. A journey I've happily walked in decent weather to go to the Bookbinders Arms but I wouldn't recommennd for a plumbing job.
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Van? So you are exempt from the filters and are moaning about nothing and going to improve significantly from the changes. https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/residents/roads-and-transport/connecting-oxfordshire/traffic-filters

I suggest you stop getting your information from far right nutters.
 
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