Training Migrants how to convincingly lie their way through EU border controls...

The Running Man said:
I think we expect that if someone is literally dieing to come here to become a member of our society that they will want to contribute and not be a a lecherous cretin
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Yes sure but there's plenty of generalising whole immigrant communities based on negative perceptions stemming from the actions of a minority.

Tell the masses that an immigrant did something positive, and life goes on. Tell them that an immigrant committed a crime then we get much more of a reaction.
 
Raz said:
It's reasonable to expect facts as they are, but negative or critical facts have much more of an impact on people emotions which then filter to their beliefs, political or otherwise.
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Absolutely!

Raz said:
It's reasonable to expect facts as they are, but negative or critical facts have much more of an impact on people emotions which then filter to their beliefs, political or otherwise.
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Regaredless they still HAVE to be reported on. Open and honest reporting of the facts, regardless of how bad they make people look (and whether you like them or not), is essential.

Raz said:
A story about crime committed by an imigrant has more impact on people's perceptions of immigration than a story about an imigrant who does something positive.

Just needs careful consideration by the media, which isn't always the case.
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That sounds dangerously close to "the press shouldn't report crimes by immigrants because people will think worse of immigrants if you do" which would be censorship of the press, regardless of how well meaning you may believe you are. Why shouldn't we be told when someone commits a horrible crime, should their status as an immigrant make them immune form public scrutiny or should we be allowed to know of a crime they've committed?

Raz said:
Tell the masses that an immigrant did something positive, and life goes on. Tell them that an immigrant committed a crime then we get much more of a reaction.
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Again, are you suggesting we don't report crimes by "bad" immigrants then, because of the harm it does to peoples opinions of the "good" ones? If you aren't saying that then what exactly are you saying that we should/shouldn't be able to report on?
 
At the end of the day if you open your door to a stranger to offer food and shelter and they rob you, rape your wife or children theni think its understandable if to choose to lock for do it and not let any more in.

And while it might not have been your family that was attacked there should be understanding and compassion for those who's family were and who knew better but were forced to open their door.
 
Raz said:
Yes sure but there's plenty of generalising whole immigrant communities based on negative perceptions stemming from the actions of a minority.

Tell the masses that an immigrant did something positive, and life goes on. Tell them that an immigrant committed a crime then we get much more of a reaction.
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We are and I think quite rightly expecting extreme gratitude from.all of those we accept and an understanding that they would absolutely be on their best behaviour while they are here.

Like when I pop round to someone's house I would offer to take my shoes off and be very polite.

Not commit horrific crimes against them and their community.

This is why crimes by immigrants are so abhorrent. They are here by our platitude and yet it feels like they offer little more than extra cost and crime.

And instead of these communities rallying around to point out the blatant criminals and helping to stop them occurring we see the opposite, as per the gang rape scandal by gangs of men from Asian descent or immigrants where elders either denied, his or overlooked the truth increasing of acting in a proper manner.

And as you can imagine this will not sit well with the people who a accepted them into their communities.
 
ianh said:
Absolutely!



Regaredless they still HAVE to be reported on. Open and honest reporting of the facts, regardless of how bad they make people look (and whether you like them or not), is essential.



That sounds dangerously close to "the press shouldn't report crimes by immigrants because people will think worse of immigrants if you do" which would be censorship of the press, regardless of how well meaning you may believe you are. Why shouldn't we be told when someone commits a horrible crime, should their status as an immigrant make them immune form public scrutiny or should we be allowed to know of a crime they've committed?



Again, are you suggesting we don't report crimes by "bad" immigrants then, because of the harm it does to peoples opinions of the "good" ones? If you aren't saying that then what exactly are you saying that we should/shouldn't be able to report on?
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I'm not suggesting anything, just how things are are. Is it right? Should the media report objectively and without any political bias? Of course.

But people are people and when talking about lives, hate attacks or persecution etc it's not always simple.
 
ianh said:
Again, are you suggesting we don't report crimes by "bad" immigrants then, because of the harm it does to peoples opinions of the "good" ones? If you aren't saying that then what exactly are you saying that we should/shouldn't be able to report on?
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The extreme left like to "deplatform" things... including plain old facts, apparently.

Like the recent thread here on GD were some actually agreed that history was racist.
 
ianh said:
That sounds dangerously close to "the press shouldn't report crimes by immigrants because people will think worse of immigrants if you do" which would be censorship of the press, regardless of how well meaning you may believe you are. Why shouldn't we be told when someone commits a horrible crime, should their status as an immigrant make them immune form public scrutiny or should we be allowed to know of a crime they've committed?
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Also, as I said elsewhere, when you're banned and shadowbanned on Twitter and Facebook, when the BBC and others wont cover things people are legitimately interested in (like NGOs assisting people to falsely obtain refugee status in our countries), then the only places left to discuss it are places like http://gab.ai and your only sources are those some would dismiss out of hand. The immediate response to me posting this thread was attacks on my linking of Russia Today. Don't like that? Well it wasn't ON the BBC.

Same principle when you label people genocidal racists if they speak about homophobia in Islam or grooming gangs in our country. The people you so label to try and exclude from the debate end up swelling the ranks of the actual racists. They may not be racist, but if everyone is labelled as such then the total number of "racists" goes up which encourages actual racism. Every time you label a reasonable person "Alt-Right" or "Fascist", someone somewhere who thinks that person is correct thinks "Well maybe the Alt-Right and the Fascists have a point."
 
Twenty-four asylum seekers who claimed they were children after being sent to Liverpool were found to be adults, the city's council has said.
The authority said another 15 asylum seekers "should have been identified as children" by the government and accommodated in London instead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-46494675
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Just think, they travelled through a dozen or so countries to get to us, bypassing borders after borders to finally get to the UK.

Parents have voiced their fury after an Iranian asylum seeker who posed as a 15-year-old GCSE student was outed as an adult today - as the Home Office launched a probe into how its staff failed to spot he was closer to 30.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...posed-15-year-old-schoolboy-deemed-ADULT.html
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He even had a full school uniform, look at his smug face.

Madness.
 
Can somebody PLEASE tell me why doing a quick dental check to determine age was deemed "inhumane" ?

Would anybody really want some dodgy 30 year old geezer, with totally unknown criminal history hanging around their daughters?

I remember the Calais madness when cretins like Silly Allen were desperate for the UK to take all these people, and almost 90% of the public were screaming, "they look about 35!!", yet no-one listened, and they were told "war ages these kids".

When things are this stupid, one cant help wonder if darker forces are at work.
 
Guy had the **** beaten out of him here and left knocked out and robbed inc. his bloody shoes!
Reported to police but they decided to leave out the part about how it was 3 refugee blokes that did it.
Blows my mind. I hope they find and deport this ****s back to whatever ****hole they come from.
ungrateful idiots give their countrymen a terrible rep.
 
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