Training Migrants how to convincingly lie their way through EU border controls...

XeNoN89 said:
erm, what's with the swastika?
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Some idiot copies it onto their own channel, sticks that on and then cuts it down to one small reaction shot and then adds wa-wah music. They do it with loads of videos. :( Here's the original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vHvclMgYI

As I said, it's not really fair because it's not a valid counter-argument and Lauren's being disingenuous there. But it's kind of funny in the protestor's reaction and that this would only carry any weight with someone invested in Identity Politics in the first place.
 
Evangelion said:
They don't take someone's place. That's the beauty of the system. Nobody takes somebody's place, because there's no 'place' to take. You get assessed as soon as you apply for asylum, simple as that. If you're found to be a genuine refugee, you're allowed in. If not, you're rejected.
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This is true if there's unlimited acceptance of migrants and if processing times are short. Neither is remotely true and if you're inclined to quibble, perhaps take a look at these actual migrant camps.

Evangelion said:
Please list all the refugee camps currently 'riddled with ISIS supporters.' I'll wait.
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That's clearly an unreasonable and unattainable standard of proof. I'm basing it on interviews with migrants in camps who say their chief worries there are criminals within the camp and ISIS. I don't have those interviews to hand so you'll have to either take my word for it or insist that it isn't true unless I can give you specific detailed instances.

Should I somehow do that, you would then immediately declare that doesn't mean all camps are / that it's a significant problem and demand proof that it is. Rather than taking the reasonable position that entering through migrant camps is an obvious route of ingress for terrorists and that displaced ISIS fighters fleeing retaken areas are highly likely to pursue such options and that therefore we might well EXPECT this to be the case.
 
h4rm0ny said:
This is true if there's unlimited acceptance of migrants and if processing times are short. Neither is remotely true and if you're inclined to quibble, perhaps take a look at these actual migrant camps.
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It's true regardless of quotas and processing times. Migrant camps exist primarily because people either cannot reach official processing centres (e.g. Syria) or simply choose not to (e.g. Calais).

That's clearly an unreasonable and unattainable standard of proof.
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It's not.

I'm basing it on interviews with migrants in camps who say their chief worries there are criminals within the camp and ISIS.
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'Worries.' OK. Well, I have 'worries' that the elephant at the bottom of my garden will eat all my new pumpkins this summer.

:rolleyes:
 
Malevolence said:
Isn't this just an excerpt from Lauren Southern's new documentary "Borderless" rather than a RT article?
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Doesn't really matter. A potentially interesting topic has been derailed into pointless side arguments.

If the tape is real and hasn't been grossly mispresented then I would find a very serious topic.

There is tremendous injustice in the world as can be seen with Asia Bibi etc. Things like the OP post can quickly turn sympathetic ears into calloused souls.
 
ianh said:
Yeap, they're reporting that these things did occur and they shouldn't be hidden away because they make people feel uncomfortable.
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You've conveniently not quoted the rest of Freakbro's post, did his common sense and reasonable point make you feel uncomfortable?

He isn't suggesting to hide the fact that these offenses are being committed by Syrians, he is suggesting that making sweeping generalizations about migrants demonizes innocent people and justifies a lot of xenophobic and racist views. Sensationalist reporting is one of the main reasons behind a rise in racism.
 
Oneshotbigshot said:
Doesn't really matter. A potentially interesting topic has been derailed into pointless side arguments.

If the tape is real and hasn't been grossly mispresented then I would find a very serious topic.

There is tremendous injustice in the world as can be seen with Asia Bibi etc. Things like the OP post can quickly turn sympathetic ears into calloused souls.
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I can well believe it's been edited to show only negative aspects. But I struggle to think of what could have been left in that would make it alright. As regard's the OP's post, I am the OP and I'd genuinely like to know what in my post qould quickly turn people into calloused souls. I feel that's a pretty unpleasant thing to say here. This is my post in its entirety again. What should I not have said in there?

h4rm0ny said:
I initially tried to find a less incendiary thread title, but that actually is the accurate description of what this organization has been doing, it seems.

https://www.rt.com/news/443812-migrants-acting-ngo-exposed/


Advocates Abroad are an American 501c3 tax-exempt organization based on Honolulu. Will be interested to learn who is funding them.
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That looks like prime trigger fodder for nationalists all over Europe. By whose state media is it being shown and disseminated again?

Ah, gotcha.
 
garnett said:
That looks like prime trigger fodder for nationalists all over Europe. By whose state media is it being shown and disseminated again?
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Not ours. Despite this evidently being something huge numbers of British people would be interested to learn about, the BBC deems it "not news". Anyway, it's oneshotbigshot who criticised my opening post so it's them whose answer I would like to hear.
 
h4rm0ny said:
Not ours. Despite this evidently being something huge numbers of British people would be interested to learn about, the BBC deems it "not news". Anyway, it's oneshotbigshot who criticised my opening post so it's them whose answer I would like to hear.
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Who do you think is funding this NGO? In whose interests is this?

And, again, in whose state media is this being shown?
 
Avenged7Fold said:
You've conveniently not quoted the rest of Freakbro's post, did his common sense and reasonable point make you feel uncomfortable?
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No, I felt no need to quote something I agree with as it's redundant, hence why I only quoted the part I felt required additional comment. That what I use quotes are for as you can see in my other posts in this thread where I don't post a whole quote.

Avenged7Fold said:
He isn't suggesting to hide the fact that these offenses are being committed by Syrians,
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I never said he was.

Avenged7Fold said:
he is suggesting that making sweeping generalizations about migrants demonizes innocent people and justifies a lot of xenophobic and racist views. Sensationalist reporting is one of the main reasons behind a rise in racism.
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I agree that any sweeping generalisation, like "all refugees are good", is just as bad as one that states "all refugees are bad" which is why I believe that we should never be afraid to point out facts such as those presented by the police, such that some people that we helped have then turned around and caused us problems along with a much higher number who haven't.

That also stands true for this case too, where it needs to be reported when people deliberately hurt the chances of genuinely persecuted Christians entering the EU by teaching fake Christians how to enter the EU by deceit, increasing the difficultly for those on the EU border of separating fact from fiction. "Hiding" this story only adds fuel to the fire of tribalism regarding the press and it's role.
 
ianh said:
I agree that any sweeping generalisation, like "all refugees are good", is just as bad as one that states "all refugees are bad" which is why I believe that we should never be afraid to point out facts such as those presented by the police, such that some people that we helped have then turned around and caused us problems along with a much higher number who haven't.

That also stands true for this case too, where it needs to be reported when people deliberately hurt the chances of genuinely persecuted Christians entering the EU by teaching fake Christians how to enter the EU by deceit, increasing the difficultly for those on the EU border of separating fact from fiction. "Hiding" this story only adds fuel to the fire of tribalism regarding the press and it's role.
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It's reasonable to expect facts as they are, but negative or critical facts have much more of an impact on people emotions which then filter to their beliefs, political or otherwise.

A story about crime committed by an imigrant has more impact on people's perceptions of immigration than a story about an imigrant who does something positive.

Just needs careful consideration by the media, which isn't always the case.
 
Raz said:
It's reasonable to expect facts as they are, but negative or critical facts have much more of an impact on people emotions which then filter to their beliefs, political or otherwise.

A story about crime committed by an imigrant has more impact on people's perceptions of immigration than a story about an imigrant who does something positive.

Just needs careful consideration by the media, which isn't always the case.
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I think we expect that if someone is literally dieing to come here to become a member of our society that they will want to contribute and not be a a lecherous cretin
 
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