Turkish Grand Prix 2011, Istanbul Park - Race 4/19

Start will certainly be interestingtomorrow, can see it having a big bearing on the interestingness of the race.

Chuffed for Rosberg, hope this is a showing of Mercedes closing in on the big 3.
 
sunama said:
MSc over a second slower than his team-mate.

This guy is clearly hanging on far longer than he should.
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Why? He's earning a decent wage, he claims to be enjoying himself, why should he quit? He's hardly doing what Mansell did in '95, or Hill did in '99, or Alan Jones in the mid '80s. Those are much better examples of pointlessly touring around taking up a spot on the grid that someone else could be using (though I still contend that Mansell would have done rather better than he did at McLaren if Williams had kept him rather than putting DC in the car!).
 
MSc is the most successful driver ever to have driven an F1 car. He holds all sorts of records.

For him to return to F1 (after retiring) and especially at his age, he sullying his good name by getting whipped by Rosberg. He was out qualified by around 1s today...thats embarrassing for somebody of his stature.

He isn't short of money. He has more money than he knows what to do with and with all the sponsorship deals and investments he already has, even without F1, he would still be earning more money than most mortals can earn in a lifetime.

There simply is no need to draw this out any longer. If anybody is going to win for Mercedes, it will be Rosberg, unless MSc gets lucky. On skill alone, MSc cannot compete against Rosberg. He was beaten in the championship last season by him and the same pattern is now beginning to repeat itself this year. In order to justify the beating he is taking, his team and him are having to come up with creative reasons.
 
sunama said:
MSc is the most successful driver ever to have driven an F1 car. He holds all sorts of records.

For him to return to F1 (after retiring) and especially at his age, he sullying his good name by getting whipped by Rosberg. He was out qualified by around 1s today...thats embarrassing for somebody of his stature.

He isn't short of money. He has more money than he knows what to do with and with all the sponsorship deals and investments he already has, even without F1, he would still be earning more money than most mortals can earn in a lifetime.

There simply is no need to draw this out any longer. If anybody is going to win for Mercedes, it will be Rosberg, unless MSc gets lucky. On skill alone, MSc cannot compete against Rosberg. He was beaten in the championship last season by him and the same pattern is now beginning to repeat itself this year. In order to justify the beating he is taking, his team and him are having to come up with creative reasons.
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Perhaps, no wait, definitely the only reason Mercedes are where they are at this point is because of Schui's input and feedback of the car and hence it's development.

So even if Rosberg does win before Schumacher, which I do not think he will, to some degree that will be credit to Schui.

Rosberg is good, but after finishing P3 in 1st place everytime at Williams and not being able to convert that into any meaningful points I doubt he has much greatness to bestow on Mercedes from a development point of view!
 
why oh why sent out ham and button again :/


tho ham said the extra tyres didnt make that much difference.

lets hope webber takes out vettel.

looking forward to a sunday of sports and hopefully hamilton on the podium atleast.

i think rbr are definitely beatable in the race but the DRS gap is so big there is no chance in quali, but, you cant use it if your in the lead.
 
Flibster said:
Watching that on eurosport atm.

I really do find it funny that Wurz and Davidson are in the same team.
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Ah cheers, I didn't realise it was on eurosport 2.

Apparently the highlights of GP2 at 7 are worth a worth, Pirelli tyres working well there too.
 
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Qualifying - Vettel eases to Istanbul Park pole
Sebastian Vettel’s best lap of 1m 25.049s on his first run in Q3 was so dominant that he didn’t need to make a second, yet still kept pole position. But if that wasn’t a gamble by Red Bull, keeping second-fastest Mark Webber in the garage was a little bit edgier, as the Mercedes, McLarens, Renaults and a lone Ferrari went out to challenge his 1m 25.454s best.

IPlayer - The Turkish Grand Prix - Qualifying
Jake Humphrey presents live coverage of qualifying for the Turkish Grand Prix, which is the first European race of the 2011 Formula 1 season.

Sebastian Vettel's pole lap in Turkey
Ride on board with Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel as he sets the fastest time in qualifying for the Turkish Grand Prix.

Turkey Grand Prix - Top three drivers' qualifying reaction
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber and Mercedes' Nico Rosberg give their reactions after finishing in the top three positions after qualifying for the Turkish Grand Prix.
 
sunama said:
For him to return to F1 (after retiring) and especially at his age, he sullying his good name by getting whipped by Rosberg. He was out qualified by around 1s today...thats embarrassing for somebody of his stature.
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Why is he 'sullying his good name' though? Those records that he set don't just suddenly disappear just because he's no longer fighting for wins. And hell - to be only a second away from Rosberg (who is no slouch at the wheel of a Formula One car) on hot-lapping pace with the difference in their ages, I'd say that was pretty decent.

As far as race pace goes this season so far, they've both finished twice. Schumacher beat Rosberg home by three places in Malaysia, Rosberg returned the favour in China by the same margin. Schumacher finished in the points both times, Rosberg just the once (albeit higher in the result). Don't really see how any conclusions about their pace WRT each other this season can be drawn just yet.
 
JRS said:
Why is he 'sullying his good name' though? Those records that he set don't just suddenly disappear just because he's no longer fighting for wins.
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Because back when MS was dominating a lot of people (myself included) contested that he was simply in a far superior car and with a B driver as a team mate, this has largely been confirmed by his 'comeback'.

Sure, he won a couple of championships on his own merit (if you count ramming Hill merit ;)) but most of his career stats were purely because nobody else on the grid could touch his Ferrari.

Vettel will have the same stats to point to if Red Bull maintain their dominance over the next 5yrs, I still think Hamilton is a better driver than him.
 
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Type_R said:
Perhaps, no wait, definitely the only reason Mercedes are where they are at this point is because of Schui's input and feedback of the car and hence it's development.

So even if Rosberg does win before Schumacher, which I do not think he will, to some degree that will be credit to Schui.

Rosberg is good, but after finishing P3 in 1st place everytime at Williams and not being able to convert that into any meaningful points I doubt he has much greatness to bestow on Mercedes from a development point of view!
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You overstate how much input drivers have into developement these days, especially with little testing.

Setroc said:
Vettel's lap was pretty good but not perfect. Certainly a formidable qualifying advantage, which indicates that it will perhaps be an easy race for them, but I'm still not 100% convinced that their race pace will be as dominant.
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I agree people seem to have already forgotten why RB is faster in qually than the race. They can't use the DRS in the race and that advantage is unlikely to be anywhere near as much.
 
Flibster said:
Sending him out on the hard tyres would have just put miles on the engine for no real advance. He may well be worth watching tomorrow, if they allow him to race Alonso.
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I was thinking about this and Im not so sure

I would love to see a driver, who gets through q2 - set a "reasonable" time in q3 on his used set of softs, and then go out (even just go out on an "out lap" but come immediately in again) on a set of new hards.

So this driver, probably has an effectively brand new set of hards to start the race (when tyres probably have least differential because all cars are so close to each other anyway and wont be running at max potential anyway for their given weight), plus two sets of brand new softs on (for later in the race where majority of others wll either be on used softs or hards anyway) plus the added performance from the tyres - due to natural spread of cars during latter stages of the race - will be put to better effect


Obviously this could all come undone with a safety car, but this is always the case anyway.

I may have missed something (and I probably have) but I think for those drivers in q3 that cant / unlikely to challange for P1 / P2 , even though these are much less important this season, I think its a decent tactic / strategy


Or save the brand new set of softs for the very last stop (instead of using them after the first stop which most seem to do). I know it would mean double changing wing settings but could well be worth it
 
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