TV Licence Super Thread

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Rannoch said:
I sometimes stick some other junk mail in there also. Nice and heavy :D
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I dread day I realise how hollow my life has become, when I stuff some paper into a return to sender in order to get my kicks. And then brag about it on the internet like I'm sitting on the back seat of the bus with all the cool kids. :p
 
Nasher said:
Even if they have a warrant they don't have the power to enforce it. If you stand in their way or bounce them off the property there isn't much they can do about it.
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If they have a warrant they have the power to enforce it, that's literally what a warrant is, granting you that power by a judge.
Now they don't have the power to force entry or touch you etc, so yes it's a pointless bit of paper they use to scare people.

I understand many people have been harassed by TVL, their horrific model relies on harassment. I've never seen a case where the removal of right of access has been upheld. They are always along side further escalation by one or both parties.
 
GiraffePencils said:
If they have a warrant they have the power to enforce it, that's literally what a warrant is, granting you that power by a judge.
Now they don't have the power to force entry or touch you etc, so yes it's a pointless bit of paper they use to scare people.

I understand many people have been harassed by TVL, their horrific model relies on harassment. I've never seen a case where the removal of right of access has been upheld. They are always along side further escalation by one or both parties.
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Because when you do it they will be told not to enter the property by their employer.
 
GiraffePencils said:
If they have a warrant they have the power to enforce it, that's literally what a warrant is, granting you that power by a judge.
Now they don't have the power to force entry or touch you etc, so yes it's a pointless bit of paper they use to scare people.

I understand many people have been harassed by TVL, their horrific model relies on harassment. I've never seen a case where the removal of right of access has been upheld. They are always along side further escalation by one or both parties.
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Out of the very large number of harassment cases they have lost just how many have you looked at? Perhaps you sample size it just way to small. EDIT: If the removal of right of access has never been uphold which I do not believe. Why do TVL take is so seriously? There seems to be a disconnect with how TVL act and what you are saying. TVL are acting like its a legal requirement that is upheld with law and TVL make it very clear it is trespass if they ignore removal of right of access.
 
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Nasher said:
Because when you do it they will be told not to enter the property by their employer.
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Are you claiming that after a warrant is issued their employer would tell them not to enter a property?? Sounds like a waste of court time applying for the warrant....


Pottsey said:
Out of the very large number of harassment cases they have lost just how many have you looked at? Perhaps you sample size it just way to small.
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Very few, though I'm not the one claiming there's any legal standing to a 'withdrawal of right of access'
The very phrase just pollutes all results with freeman cases claiming they can avoid paying various taxes etc because of a completely false understanding of the law.

Every case that gets to court is either a freeman who loses because they don't understand law.
Or a person who's been harassed by an escalated situation.
 
GiraffePencils said:
Are you claiming that after a warrant is issued their employer would tell them not to enter a property?? Sounds like a waste of court time applying for the warrant....
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After you remove the right of access.

But they also need some kind of evidence to apply for a warrant, they can't just get one whenever they like. If they can't step foot on the property they can't get that. If they turn up out of the blue with a warrant then it has to be fraudulent.
 
Nasher said:
After you remove the right of access.

But they also need some kind of evidence to apply for a warrant, they can't just get one whenever they like. If they can't step foot on the property they can't get that. If they turn up out of the blue with a warrant then it has to be fraudulent.
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The quote you took was talking about warrants, so sorry.

I have still seen no evidence right of access can be removed.
A right of access for a doing a job is allowed, like gas/electricity readings etc.
Now, I fully understand these are agreements you've made with a company whereas TVL is a complete pile of trash in the way it's been legislated and no agreement has ever existed etc.
But they are still executing their job, and they are checking that any circumstance has changed which is a perfectly reasonable thing to have occurred....no?
 
GiraffePencils said:
Are you claiming that after a warrant is issued their employer would tell them not to enter a property?? Sounds like a waste of court time applying for the warrant....



Very few, though I'm not the one claiming there's any legal standing to a 'withdrawal of right of access'
The very phrase just pollutes all results with freeman cases claiming they can avoid paying various taxes etc because of a completely false understanding of the law.

Every case that gets to court is either a freeman who loses because they don't understand law.
Or a person who's been harassed by an escalated situation.
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Pretty sure some of those lost harassment cases are when they ignored the removal of right of access and so trespassed and so had to pay compensation. But to be honest I have better things to do then redig though the something like 10,000 odd harassments cases they lost to find the ones related to rights of access. I read a lot of them in the past but that was years ago when I had my problems with TVL.

TVL themselves seem to be saying its a legal standing for 'withdrawal of right of access'

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/421199/response/1026655/attach/4/RFI20171131 Disclosure document.pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...1591019690326/Visiting+Officer+Procedures.pdf

TVL clearly see withdrawal of right of access as valid and clearly say its trespass if they ignore it. My expreince with them is they take it very seriously.
 
Pottsey said:
Pretty sure some of those lost harassment cases are when they ignored the removal of right of access and so trespassed and so had to pay compensation. But to be honest I have better things to do then redig though the something like 10,000 odd harassments cases they lost to find the ones related to rights of access. I read a lot of them in the past but that was years ago when I had my problems with TVL.

TVL themselves seem to be saying its a legal standing for 'withdrawal of right of access'

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/421199/response/1026655/attach/4/RFI20171131 Disclosure document.pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...1591019690326/Visiting+Officer+Procedures.pdf

TVL clearly see withdrawal of right of access as valid and clearly say its trespass if they ignore it. My expreince with them is they take it very seriously.
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That doesn't answer my questions(to the law), but it does correct me.
With regards to TVL (the point of this thread) withdrawing rights of access is not nonsense.

I'm not reading the second one, 160 odd pages!
 
GiraffePencils said:
That doesn't answer my questions(to the law), but it does correct me.
With regards to TVL (the point of this thread) withdrawing rights of access is not nonsense.

I'm not reading the second one, 160 odd pages!
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You don’t need to, it clearly states that Withdrawal Of Rights Of Access (WORIA) doesn’t apply under Scottish Law but does apply in England and Wales.
 
Pottsey said:
Pretty sure some of those lost harassment cases are when they ignored the removal of right of access and so trespassed and so had to pay compensation. But to be honest I have better things to do then redig though the something like 10,000 odd harassments cases they lost to find the ones related to rights of access. I read a lot of them in the past but that was years ago when I had my problems with TVL.

TVL themselves seem to be saying its a legal standing for 'withdrawal of right of access'

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/421199/response/1026655/attach/4/RFI20171131 Disclosure document.pdf
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...1591019690326/Visiting+Officer+Procedures.pdf

TVL clearly see withdrawal of right of access as valid and clearly say its trespass if they ignore it. My expreince with them is they take it very seriously.
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Really interesting read, thank you for sharing.
 
GiraffePencils said:
Wow, here comes the attacks on people for not agreeing with you.
You speak as if owning land is something more significant than an agreement between you and the government that you can do certain (and very limited) things on a patch of earth that they still own..... 'owning' land just means you have certain rights to prevent others from doing things there, though, that list is very short. try going too high or low on the patch of 'land' you own, try building something others find unsightly? You'll find the limits can happen fairly quickly.

Anyway, without insults.
"A trespass is a direct injury to a person, his property or land, committed directly and intentionally by the defendant"
The English tort law of trespass.
Now Scotland's different, in that people have a rather larger right to roam without damage.
But to walk upon your land and knock on your door, does not cause any 'injury' (the legal definition here, which is rather broad but there's no lasting anything in this case)
If done infrequently enough to not cause harassment, then there is no issue.

You saying you will inform them of a change doesn't mean anything. If I invite police to search my property for say a gun, then say I'll 'let them know if that changes', do you think my word is perfectly fine and trustworthy to make sure I don't have an unlicensed firearm in the future?


You say you hate people like me? Not sure why, I don't agree with the tv license, but if you don't like a law then campaign for it to be changed and/or support those that do. I just don't agree with people who decide the best way to deal with it is hide behind mis-information.
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I am done debating you GiraffePencils. You called us wrong and asked for proof then could not find any proof of your own to disprove. And you consistently keep going on and on like you side with TVL. And the bit where you stated personal attacks gives away the game that you like to bait and then when you get a reaction you run and report to moderators for person attacks. Well ok fella you got me a 24hr ban but two can tango and i dance better.


So i RTM your post where you said it was a shame another poster existed, Is that not hypocritical? And further while i take a 24hr suspension, You get permabanned from my screen aka added to ignore because its simply not on.


And on topic, Revoking access seems to work because i used it successfully to stop another annoying thing apart from TVL which i will not bore people with. Since then i had zero issues so folks its worth trying.
 
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Rofflay said:
I am done debating you GiraffePencils. You called us wrong and asked for proof then could not find any proof of your own to disprove. And you consistently keep going on and on like you side with TVL. And the bit where you stated personal attacks gives away the game that you like to bait and then when you get a reaction you run and report to moderators for person attacks. Well ok fella you got me a 24hr ban but two can tango and i dance better.

So i RTM your post where you said it was a shame another poster existed, Is that not hypocritical? And further while i take a 24hr suspension, You get permabanned from my screen aka added to ignore because its simply not on.

And on topic, Revoking access seems to work because i used it successfully to stop another annoying thing apart from TVL which i will not bore people with. Since then i had zero issues so folks its worth trying.
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You seem very bitter. Well done on misrepresenting his post.
 
Well now, I did notice the discussion got much clearer suddenly, to the point that I got a clear answer and as I posted above, admitted I was wrong about the revoking rights of access being nonsense.

If I'm ignored that's a shame, but I didn't report, I've only ever reported spammers on ocuk, words are words, it says more about the person in the discussion than It hurts me.

Thanks for the answers the rest of you, I hope you never felt I got heated in discussion. I'm done with this thread, chat with you somewhere else :D
 
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