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Maybe they've just tacked a bandwidth scanner or 2 onto those broadcast detection vans 
TV Licence Super Thread
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that wouldn't work for most people these days as all major isps routers shipped pre locked. would be better off with a mate was round with a laptop.
not that its an issue as OP is just one of the scare letters not an actual fine.
Soldato
You are safe to assume that their rules are - if we can prove it, we will do you *we cant prove much though and if we do set up some system it probably will cost as much as we save*
What if you are watching it on a TV which is plugged in, but actually streaming iPlayer from your phone via mhl? Since your phone is the device actually receiving the "live TV" and it's a portable device, then surely you'd be ok?
How about a PC with a phone tethered via WiFi?
What if the device is running off a UPS? Is it ok if it's a UPS charged from a licenced premises?
Think I need to drop an email to TVL and get some answers!!
its plugged in, count it as a device as a whole, people love making TV license laws harder than they are
its plugged in, count it as a device as a whole, people love making TV license laws harder than they are
Some of it is quite vague though. But also how does a desktop PC running purely off a UPS count in the licensing?
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Now Planet Earth 2 has finished.....
THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING TO WATCH ON THE BBC !!!!!
Also screw the established elite - head phones and VPN Ocuk brethren
THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING TO WATCH ON THE BBC !!!!!
Also screw the established elite - head phones and VPN Ocuk brethren
Some of it is quite vague though. But also how does a desktop PC running purely off a UPS count in the licensing?
is it plugged into the mains? if not then its portable device under tv license.
secondly is someone there with a tv license there watching it.
you cant just install a few car batteries and get around it as you still need someone with a license.
no, they don't.
Assuming this isn't just hypothetical then who has the fine been issued to and who would be taken to court if there were several people at the address? Unlike a car where the registered keeper is responsible for naming who the driver was, who would they actually take to court if everyone in the house said it wasn't there?
Now Planet Earth 2 has finished.....
THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING TO WATCH ON THE BBC !!!!!
Also screw the established elite - head phones and VPN Ocuk brethren
to true, in fact now there's no planet earth 2, Our guy in China and f1 there's nothing on tv.
Damn didnt take long for people to just discredit the idea.
There was a documentary a few months back, that dispelled a few myths about this topic..
With Iplayer, they claim that they can match your bandwidth signature to that being outputted by the Iplayer service..
"Sir Amyas Morse’s report said:
“The BBC’s final detection and enforcement option is its fleet of detection vans. Where the BBC still suspects that an occupier is watching live television but not paying for a licence, it can send a detection van to check whether this is the case. TVL detection vans can identify viewing on a non‐TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set. BBC staff were able to demonstrate this to my staff in controlled conditions sufficient for us to be confident that they could detect viewing on a range of non‐TV devices.”"
They claim that it would not infringe upon privacy law because they aren't looking at the content, but rather the bandwidth.
There was a documentary a few months back, that dispelled a few myths about this topic..
With Iplayer, they claim that they can match your bandwidth signature to that being outputted by the Iplayer service..
"Sir Amyas Morse’s report said:
“The BBC’s final detection and enforcement option is its fleet of detection vans. Where the BBC still suspects that an occupier is watching live television but not paying for a licence, it can send a detection van to check whether this is the case. TVL detection vans can identify viewing on a non‐TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set. BBC staff were able to demonstrate this to my staff in controlled conditions sufficient for us to be confident that they could detect viewing on a range of non‐TV devices.”"
They claim that it would not infringe upon privacy law because they aren't looking at the content, but rather the bandwidth.
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if an I.P address can be spoofed then its now very hard evidence
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I can't wait to see details of any supposed new 'high tech' evidence TVL present in any iPlayer prosecutions.
Technically they could analyse wifi traffic and try and match it to something they can control on their end - in practise gathering actual hard evidence that way would be a lot harder.
Soldato
Bandwidth scanner
Thanks for all responses. Seems it can / should be ignored. Thought as much, just wanted confirmation
You should pay it, posting it on the internet could draw all sorts of BBC internet spies and assassins. You'll be surprised how un-anonymous the internet can be, dont you think so... Azeem?!
The BBC also had to backpedal on the subject with this tweet.
BBC STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO DAILY TELEGRAPH AND SUNDAY TELEGRAPH STORIES OF AUGUST 6 & 7, 2016
"There has been considerable inaccurate reporting this weekend about how TV licensing will detect people breaking the law by watching BBC iPlayer without a licence. While we don't discuss the details on how detection works for obvious reasons, it is wrong to suggest that our technology involves capturing data from private wi-fi networks"
~BBC Press Office
It is not difficult to deduce from this that whilst they aren't capturing your data, they could happily be watching the data transfer rate.
BBC STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO DAILY TELEGRAPH AND SUNDAY TELEGRAPH STORIES OF AUGUST 6 & 7, 2016
"There has been considerable inaccurate reporting this weekend about how TV licensing will detect people breaking the law by watching BBC iPlayer without a licence. While we don't discuss the details on how detection works for obvious reasons, it is wrong to suggest that our technology involves capturing data from private wi-fi networks"
~BBC Press Office
It is not difficult to deduce from this that whilst they aren't capturing your data, they could happily be watching the data transfer rate.
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Tell them to prove it then post here with evidence. And don't lie it wasn't a friend it was you!
The point is, everything is watermarked.. What if each video they upload has a specific streaming/bandwidth profile? It is a very possible and not too difficult thing for a large company to do.
Soldato
Why would knowing how much bandwidth your going through even be useful to them...
How would that work with things like changing ads from iplayer and general popups side ads on other tabs that regularly refresh or change which have become very common?
People who browse FB or something at the same time as watching or have AV or Windows updates constantly on in the background.
There are much easier ways to catch watchers, the way your describing is impossible to put in practice
How would that work with things like changing ads from iplayer and general popups side ads on other tabs that regularly refresh or change which have become very common?
People who browse FB or something at the same time as watching or have AV or Windows updates constantly on in the background.
There are much easier ways to catch watchers, the way your describing is impossible to put in practice
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