That's how the rest of your life works no? They ask you not to drive faster than 70 and fine you if you do. They ask you not to murder people and they arrest you if they do. Do you really, honestly want hand holding? You complain about freedom of choice but I promise you'd be complaining if you had none.
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That's how the rest of your life works no? They ask you not to drive faster than 70 and fine you if you do. They ask you not to murder people and they arrest you if they do. Do you really, honestly want hand holding? You complain about freedom of choice but I promise you'd be complaining if you had none.
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To be honest in reality, the governments recent laws to spy on what everyone is doing online will be used to enforce iplayer, they will simply use these spying tools to tax/punish more people.
Exactly why this 1984 mindset is dangerous - even this is the most 'innocent' use of these new powers.
As a side note to this, the government does not deserve respect any more, it used to be society naturally respected the government, and to an extension of that, the laws of the land - but no longer, no longer can we the people respect such things when they are increasingly moving away from serving the people to controlling the people - the gov is the peoples enemy now, and they are acting as such, at a very slow pace as to not cause alarm in the people.
Exactly why this 1984 mindset is dangerous - even this is the most 'innocent' use of these new powers.
As a side note to this, the government does not deserve respect any more, it used to be society naturally respected the government, and to an extension of that, the laws of the land - but no longer, no longer can we the people respect such things when they are increasingly moving away from serving the people to controlling the people - the gov is the peoples enemy now, and they are acting as such, at a very slow pace as to not cause alarm in the people.
FYI to anyone who may think it.. I'm not a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. I am only talking from information gained from a random documentary i watched earlier in the year.
A BBC iplayer program will contain a very specific amount of data at each resolution for its programmes. Whilst you stream (if its the only thing you are doing) if they looked at the general bandwidth usage at that moment, they could easily match it to their service.. Especially if they leave markers in their programs.. I.e. a dip in resolution at certain time frames, or increased packets of data. Almost like a watermark.
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I don't pay a license legitimately, but it would be very easy for someone, say a babysitter to install the iPlayer app onto my FireTV, or use the iPlayer app on their phone and cast it thinking nothing of it. I'd then have broken the law through no fault of my own.
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I use a vpn to watch iplayer and the like.
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Because no other devices or processes use the internet when you're on iPlayer 
Their ads are also controlled, that would be another method of detection.. I understand it sounds feasible. I am a computer science student that spends a lot of time studying networking, it is very possible to do what they are suggesting, and they aren't even denying it..
no you wouldn't as its not you doing it.
its like saying if you lent someone you car and they speed, you are the one that have broken the law.
take the tin foil hat off.
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I think I speak for the forum when I say in a respectful way, shutup man, your talking total drivel lol
The only way they can tell now is when the new spying laws come online and they can review exacly what everyone is doing online.
I guess sending out unique sized packets in such an arrangement could perhaps be used...
Although it still doesn't prove who or when, does everyone with a WiFi router need a TV licence as well? If it's open, is it the fault of the owner?
Although it still doesn't prove who or when, does everyone with a WiFi router need a TV licence as well? If it's open, is it the fault of the owner?
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Precisely.
Their ads are ever changing and are not set and your suggestion would only work if that is the ONLY network activity going on in the household, which it wouldn't be. What yours suggesting may technically be possible in a very controlled scenario but in practice it is impossible to implement to the point of being used as evidence of conviction. You may be able to say that the TV license people suspect it because your bandwidth output is within 5-10% of what they match :
-IF that is the only active device including mobiles on the network
-IF no other background application is using anything and IF they are not doing anything in any other tab
-IF they dont have any active extensions/pages in their browser that collects and sends data
After all that, it still means nothing because you cannot be sure they are doing it since it wont be exact to the numbers you talk about. Your precision of knowing the data of what is being streamed is useless with all these inaccuracy. Trust-
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Then surely if I was ever contacted about iPlayer use, a defence of "It wasn't me" isn't going to hold up. All they will see is my ISP using the iPlayer site no?
If you cant disprove what i am saying then don't be so rude..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/bbc-to-deploy-detection-vans-to-snoop-on-internet-users/
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...-licence-vans-wifi-sniffing-packet-technology
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/snooping-bbc-spy-internet-users-8572134
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Player-new-generation-WiFi-detector-vans.html
(They are denying the capture of data, not looking at the data signature)
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Cmon man, you may be a student but most of us actually work in IT
Boom!
Like we have all said, there are ways to track you but none of which they use. The one way they definitely cant build evidence against you is what terley describes
Very well played
I know nothing is anonymous lol
Boom!
Like we have all said, there are ways to track you but none of which they use. The one way they definitely cant build evidence against you is what terley describes
Cmon man, you may be a student but most of us actually work in IT
Boom!
Most of you work in IT?
I'm sure some of you do, and most of those who do don't work in networking.. Look at my previous post.
How does mobile devices work, for example we have a TV licence and I watch iPlayer occasionally on my pad. Can I do so on my office WiFi? Does my licence cover all my devices or only the building the are in.
I'm not sure i be ever bothered to find out.
I'm not sure i be ever bothered to find out.
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So tell me how you will get round those minor issues terley
It covers your household and mobile devices regardless of where they are.
So tell me how you will get round those minor issues terley
It covers your household and mobile devices regardless of where they are.
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