TV Licence Super Thread

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errr doesnt this get completley broken by BT's broadband service where every BT customers 's WIFI router can be used by all BT customers?
 
How would they inspect the packets unless they do a man-in-the-middle attack. Otherwise they wouldn't know which router is sending the packets out.
 
errr doesnt this get completley broken by BT's broadband service where every BT customers 's WIFI router can be used by all BT customers?

No. The WAP for your LAN will be separate to the public access one. Whether it's virtual LAN or whatever it'll be separate.

Public traffic is most likely isolated using some form of tunnelling too.

There's no way in hell the public access WAP's vLAN will grant access to your actual private LAN.
 
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How would they inspect the packets unless they do a man-in-the-middle attack. Otherwise they wouldn't know which router is sending the packets out.

they won't, the whole thing is likely a myth just as their detector vans have been for decades
 
they won't, the whole thing is likely a myth just as their detector vans have been for decades

Also do routers even send out packets in a similar pattern to packets actually received? I can't think they do and besides any additional simultaneous download would mess the pattern up.
 
The BBC say that they are introducing patterned packets into iPlayer's TCP connections so that they can see what you watch by monitoring your WiFi from outside your home.

So if you don't have a licence, don't use iPlayer via WiFi.

Is it possible to do that?

Aren't encrypted WiFi frames encapsulated? How could part of a data stream be identifiable even within an encrypted WiFi frame on a separate layer?

Or is it just a case of them having access to the backdoor?

Time to do some research. Any 802.11 experts here?!
 
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It's more likely and plausible they'll just match IP addresses to TV License holders and then send some Capita employees round to do some investigating.
 
It's more likely and plausible they'll just match IP addresses to TV License holders and then send some Capita employees round to do some investigating.

They can't do that without a court order requiring the ISP to hand over the account holder details.

How do they get the evidence for the court order?
 
They can't do that without a court order requiring the ISP to hand over the account holder details.

How do they get the evidence for the court order?

Yep.

This isn't like file sharing which can be presented to the court as illegal whomever does it.

95% of people streaming iplayer are doing it legally. How will the BBC know which IP addresses are licenced or not?


This doesn't apply. I could give you a list of all the people streaming iplayer right now. How will you know which ones to investigate and get court orders for?
 
Wouldn't a simpler solution be to get people to register to watch iplayer and link their TV licence with their account automatically.

Send a confirmation code in the post to prove they live at that residence. Job done. BBC's happy, and no freeloaders watching TV.





Or better yet assign a static IPv6 address/block to every end-point/address in the country with a government maintained database, the right to watch or not could easily be controlled at the touch of a button. ;)
 
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Wouldn't a simpler solution be to get people to register to watch iplayer and link their TV licence with their account automatically.

Send a confirmation code in the post to prove they live at that residence. Job done. BBC's happy, and no freeloaders watching TV.

The BBC don't want a subscription model like that.

They just want everyone to pay. The easiest way to do that is send it out free on all mediums and people simply won't be able to stay away and not watch.

It's also why the licence has always applied even if you only watch live programming from other suppliers.

I bet if the BBC had their way, the rule would apply to all catch up TV and not just iplayer. The reality it is a tax and should be funded by government and spending scrutinised in a similar manner. Until the licence freeze came in, the BBC had no reason to be efficient unlike private companies.
 
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Well its a new month so time for the new monthly threat from the TV licencing people. It looks like after years of nothing much changing they have changed tactics with the letters. Anyone had this new style letter? In big bold letters ” We ‘re giving you 10 days to get correctly licensed” with the 23rd of February circled. Apparently I MUST get correct licensed within 10days and only have until the 23rd despite the fact I am correctly unlicensed.
 
I've been without a TV Licence since December 2016 now. Had 1 email and 1 letter so far, no threats or anything, just explaining that I might need a licence, which I don't.

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The BBC say that they are introducing patterned packets into iPlayer's TCP connections so that they can see what you watch by monitoring your WiFi from outside your home.

So if you don't have a licence, don't use iPlayer via WiFi.

lol :D
 
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I've been without a TV Licence since December 2016 now. Had 1 email and 1 letter so far, no threats or anything, just explaining that I might need a licence, which I don't.



lol :D

The theory behind wireless scan is correct you can identify packet patterns without access to the wireless network key. Nearly 100% of the time you can also tell which house the wireless connection is based in. I don't understand why so many people are making fun of it like its impossible when its not.

There was also a case recently where a Polish immigrant was convicted of TV licence evasion even though the inspector was refused entry and did not see or hear any TV programmes. The evidenced used was Live TV being played on a laptop.
 
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