TV Licence Super Thread

Jez · 1 Jun 2017 at 11:32

Nasher said:
Probably part of the reason it's now law to be on the electoral roll :/

That and they most likely profit from selling on our details...

I dont care either way, i just found it odd that is suddenly changed.

Pottsey · 1 Jun 2017 at 11:38

SixTwoSix said:
Same as, told them, no hassles at all, a single visit over the years by a punctual friendly guy. No follow up letters to check whether we need a licence in probably two years now.

That was my experience for the first few years. Wait till you get a few cycles in of re filling out the forms as a lot of people run into problems long term. Although to be fair the region you are in makes a big difference. In some areas they think its ok to force entry into your home or film though windows to check you really don't need a licence.

Brenn47 · 1 Jun 2017 at 12:14

stopper said:
Or, you can be a good little slave and fill in the form on their website every 2 years to declare you don't watch live broadcasts.

They'll still send a muppet round to check you're telling the truth, thus it's best to just ignore them.

benjii · 1 Jun 2017 at 12:16

Burnsy2023 said:
Your experience may vary, but mine is that I filled the declaration and have heard nothing since. At a guess, I would suggest my experience is probably more representative.

That was our experience. We didn't renew our license a couple of years ago when it expired, we hadn't watched live TV in months. We did the online form and haven't heard anything since.

Brenn47 · 1 Jun 2017 at 12:19

Pottsey said:
In some areas they think its ok to force entry into your home or film though windows to check you really don't need a licence.

They'll never force entry, it's against their policy, worst they'll do is stick their foot in the door to stop you closing it and try to force you to answer their questions, but this is the practice of VERY few of the door to door staff.

Tefal · 1 Jun 2017 at 12:39

Brenn47 said:
They'll never force entry, it's against their policy, worst they'll do is stick their foot in the door to stop you closing it and try to force you to answer their questions, but this is the practice of VERY few of the door to door staff.

Well that's a terrifying position to be put in for well over 50% of our population isn't it?

how is that not an offense?

pooley · 1 Jun 2017 at 13:05

Burnsy2023 said:
Can you, without referencing anything else, succinctly repeat the question you are asking?

Would I be right in thinking it is this: "Why are acts called acts and not called laws?"

If it is, then the answer is simple: they are called laws, by pretty much everyone.

you are right burnsey that's it. 'they are called laws by pretty much everyone' is a fair statement however the men and women who make up these 'enactments' do not.
that was what i was asking woden is why?

dowie · 1 Jun 2017 at 13:12

pooley said:
you are right burnsey that's it. 'they are called laws by pretty much everyone' is a fair statement however the men and women who make up these 'enactments' do not.
that was what i was asking woden is why?

ah so it is more of a language question... that is simply what they're called:

this is how an 'act' is described in the wider legal sense:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_(document)

An act is an instrument that records a fact or something that has been said, done, or agreed.

so as far as law is concerned, when parliament want to agree to a new law, they can create new laws via an 'act of parliament'

what you're essentially asking is along the lines of say why is a 'car' not called a 'vehicle' - the answer is that you can refer to it as both... though there also exist other types of vehicle

likewise you can refer to a law or an act... though there also exists common law

(If that isn't what you were asking then please do expand/explain rather than post something dismissive)

Brenn47 · 1 Jun 2017 at 13:12

Tefal said:
Well that's a terrifying position to be put in for well over 50% of our population isn't it?

how is that not an offense?

That's why they like targeting single mums on council estates, they're more likely to cave in and the enforcement officer earns £20 commission.

There's a video of it on YouTube, can't find it though as there's so many videos of the Capita staff being told to sod off.

Burnsy2023 · 1 Jun 2017 at 14:21

pooley said:
you are right burnsey that's it. 'they are called laws by pretty much everyone' is a fair statement however the men and women who make up these 'enactments' do not.
that was what i was asking woden is why?

MPs do call them laws, they also call them other things but, your starting premise isn't correct.

Like has been said, the police may refer to a car as a vehicle, a mechanically propelled vehicle, a motor vehicle or simply a car. That's not to confer different meaning but it context and culturally specific.

pooley · 1 Jun 2017 at 14:38

Burnsy2023 said:
MPs do call them laws, they also call them other things but, your starting premise isn't correct.

Like has been said, the police may refer to a car as a vehicle, a mechanically propelled vehicle, a motor vehicle or simply a car. That's not to confer different meaning but it context and culturally specific.

what title/job description they hold or what ever it is irrelevant, the men and women who actually make up the enactments why do call them enactments and as to my original question to woden and not law?

Burnsy2023 · 1 Jun 2017 at 14:51

pooley said:
what title/job description they hold or what ever it is irrelevant, the men and women who actually make up the enactments why do call them enactments and as to my original question to woden and not law?

The men and women (MPs) who make laws (Acts of Parliament) do call them laws. Your whole question is a fallacy.

pooley · 1 Jun 2017 at 15:00

Burnsy2023 said:
The men and women (MPs) who make laws (Acts of Parliament) do call them laws. You're whole question is a fallacy.

i'll rephrase it, this is gone on for soooo long... the men and women who actually make up the enactments why do call them enactments and not just as as i asked woden straight up law?
not they also call them other things just law period!

Pottsey · 1 Jun 2017 at 15:17

Brenn47 said:
They'll never force entry, it's against their policy, worst they'll do is stick their foot in the door to stop you closing it and try to force you to answer their questions, but this is the practice of VERY few of the door to door staff.

That's not true, well it might be against policy but they have forced their way into homes even forced their way into homes with children in and no adults. Causing terrified parents to rush home to a crying child.

Burnsy2023 · 1 Jun 2017 at 15:37

pooley said:
i'll rephrase it, this is gone on for soooo long... the men and women who actually make up the enactments why do call them enactments and not just as as i asked woden straight up law?
not they also call them other things just law period!

They call them enactments because they are acts of parliament.

Why does it matter to you what they are referred as?

Pottsey said:
That's not true, well it might be against policy but they have forced their way into homes even forced their way into homes with children in and no adults. Causing terrified parents to rush home to a crying child.

If they have a court warrant then that's part and parcel of enforcing warrants. If they don't, you can use reasonable force to eject them.

pooley · 1 Jun 2017 at 16:01

Burnsy2023 said:
They call them enactments because they are acts of parliament.

Why does it matter to you what they are referred as?
enactment 'the process of passing legislation' according to the oxford dictionary.
i call a spade a spade maybe you do to who knows, but the men and women who make up these enactments do not do this why?
no harm in asking questions burnsy

Burnsy2023 · 1 Jun 2017 at 16:06

To quote the OED:

1.1 noun A law that is passed.
‘enactments covering food safety’

Seems like it's perfectly reasonable to want to refer to a "law that is passed".

pooley · 1 Jun 2017 at 16:21

Burnsy2023 said:
To quote the OED:

Seems like it's perfectly reasonable to want to refer to a "law that is passed".

yes it's seems reasonable that is what we read and lead to believe. but it's a reference! why not just law no ******** just law period!?

Avenged7Fold · 1 Jun 2017 at 16:22

When you imply something a little daft on the internet, realise and then think ardently defending it for the next 5 pages on GD will make you seem less daft.

#LawsNotLaws #DaftNotDaft

pooley · 1 Jun 2017 at 16:30

Avenged7Fold said:
When you imply something a little daft on the internet, realise and then think ardently defending it for the next 5 pages on GD will make you seem less daft.

#LawsNotLaws #DaftNotDaft

shhh grown ups are talking...there is only burnsy who is same ballpark as to what it is i am asking.