Two match ban for swearing!

[Castiel]

Ok, good for you Castiel, that other guy is different and chooses to frown on people with young families who repeatedly shag whores (and 99% of non Man Utd fans)

Like I said you don't know the truth of any given situation, only what Tabloid journalists tell you.

So Rooney has made mistakes in his life, who hasn't. That doesn't make him evil or any different from many young men in their twenties in fact.

Given where he comes from and his education level, he is in fact a model citizen in comparison to his childhood peer group.

It's not exactly in their job description but you're being massively obtuse if you deny that they affect society, the good money says you're a Man Utd fan too

It's almost as though you're trying to paint Rooney as even remotely likeable, strange

I affect society, we all do in one way or another, does that mean I have to shoulder the responsibility for society as well?

It is as if you are painting Rooney as some evil demi-god that should be held accountable for the ills of society when in fact he is just a 25 year old sportsman who you have an irrational partisan hatred of and you are projecting that onto him to salve your own jealousy and innate self-hatred.

I don't read the papers but you'll find that nearly everybody in the country dislikes Rooney, take your head out of the sand, why do you think the whole of Upton Park abused him? Because he's a fine young fellow with a good attitude, a dedicated family man, always polite, always sincere, or because he's deeply dislikeable?

Why do you think that the whole of Upton Park were racially abusing their own players?

Because black people are somehow inferior, or because football crowds are filled with racists and idiots.

Get over yourself, you sound half-crazed with projected self-loathing.

 

[Rotty]

There's a few on here who are trying, they are beginning to appear clinically insane though so I don't know if they count

Trying to defend Wayne Rooney's actions (specifically swearing at millions of people in the middle of the day), I don't even think his wife would try that any more, just seems odd that some Man Utd fans would

I think most are saying distinguish between football and non football matters rather than say that he's a nice bloke

 

[Castiel]

I can't stand Rooney, I don't know many people that like him. I'd say he's probably a lot less liked than Terry or Ashley.

I'm happy with them if they play well for England, of course.

he is an extremely unpleasant character, then again I don't know many Man U fans that would defend him as a person

What do you base those accusations of his character on, tabloid news articles?

He is no worse than many people from his demographic, in many ways he is better. He certainly is not some morally corrupt, deviant human being like many are trying to make him out to be.

 

[Rotty]

Given where he comes from and his education level, he is in fact a model citizen in comparison to his childhood peer group.

I think that might be stretching it

 

[Rotty]

He is no worse than many people from his demographic, .

that in no way makes his behaviour acceptable

 

[Castiel]

that in no way makes his behaviour acceptable

It also doesn't make him public enemy no1.

No mention of the charities he supports, including UNICEF, SOS Children's villages along with supporting causes on homelessness in Manchester, Orphans, and participating in school initiatives. He and his wife gave their wedding gifts (they asked that donations be made instead) to the Alder hay Hospital and Claire House Children's hospice.

Hardly the portfolio of a morally bankrupt individual. All he is guilty of is being stupid on occasion, nothing more and judging someone's character on the basis of a few tabloid stories and chanting at football stadiums is disingenuous.

 

[Rotty]

It also doesn't make him public enemy no1.



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correct it does not but he falls well short in respect of what the majority of decent people would consider acceptable conduct

 

[Castiel]

correct it does not but he falls well short in respect of what the majority of decent people would consider acceptable conduct

It is a shame then that the majority of 'decent' people act the way they do at football matches and forget that they themselves are guilty of swearing on occasion and making similar mistakes, especially when young.

We only have to see the threads on this very forum to see what people see as acceptable when it comes to monogamy, profanity, general conduct, tolerance, etc....

Rooney isn't so very different from anyone his age and background, he is simply being held to a higher standard because he is in the public eye.

 

[Rotty]

It is a shame then that the majority of 'decent' people act the way they do at football matches and forget that they themselves are guilty of swearing on occasion and making mistakes, especially when young.

very true, maybe it's down to their role models

 

[Castiel]

very true, maybe it's down to their role models

Or their character....

 

[Gilly]

25 years old is well into adulthood. By now the petulance and stupidity should have moved on a touch, but he's still the same brat he was.

 

[atpbx]

Footballers do have a large social responsibility and that's partly why they're paid so well, don't know how you could be so naive to this fact (besides being a Man Utd fan)

No they dont, and no it isnt.

They Play football because they are good at it, they get paid a lot because the clubs make lots of money from being good at football.

That is the be all and end all.
Will Carling said something along the lines of this about it on the radio today today, "whats the pay grade you have to be at before you become a role model? Wayne Rooney certainly didnt put himself up as a role model he just wanted to be a footballer, I swear, I swear in real life, and I swore on the pitch its nonsense".

 

[Castiel]

25 years old is well into adulthood. By now the petulance and stupidity should have moved on a touch, but he's still the same brat he was.

25 is still young. People mature at different rates. What I found acceptable behaviour at 25, I wouldn't now.

 

[fez]

25 years old is well into adulthood. By now the petulance and stupidity should have moved on a touch, but he's still the same brat he was.

Maybe he should be, but there are plenty of people in the "real" world who are older and have little pressure in their lives who act much worse manner. Being a professional footballer doesn't exempt you from personality traits. He has been adored and hated repeatedly throughout his career, there are few players that have to put up with that to anything like the extent he does.

If people wish to idolise him and use him as a role model then that is their choice. If you don't like the way your children react to his behaviour then you need to do something about it as a parent.

Yes it was into a camera at a foots distance but god knows how many times you see a player 6 foot away from the camera swearing after scoring a goal, or when they show a close up of the crowd after a goal. Its all just ridiculous arbitrary decisions that they make every now and then.

A two match ban is a crazy punishment and I can't see how they can say "you can swear your **** off as long as you don't have your nose in the camera."

From a young age I knew exactly what was coming out of those players mouths on the tv. Its not secret and its time we started to accept that football is a modern game and is not squeaky clean, there is swearing.

 

[Rotty]

If I ran round work swearing at members of the public and screaming obsceneties in the face of figures of authority I would expect to get to get in a lot more bother

 

[fez]

If I ran round work swearing at members of the public and screaming obsceneties in the face of figures of authority I would expect to get to get in a lot more bother

You'd also get in trouble if you started kicking a ball around in the office. Im guessing your not a footballer.

 

[Gilly]

You'd also get in trouble if you started kicking a ball around in the office. Im guessing your not a footballer.

Hardly the same sort of thing though.

Professionalism is professionalism.

 

[fez]

Hardly the same sort of thing though.

Professionalism is professionalism.

Exactly my point, the average persons life is so far removed from that of a footballer and yet we judge their behaviour from our own paradigm. We all swear and do things that others would find disagreeable if it were broadcast which is exactly what happens to Rooney.

Having 20,000 people screaming abuse at you and wanting you to fail for 90 minutes and being expected to graciously celebrate your goal rather than shoving it in their face. Im not sure I could do that myself although I would like to think I wouldn't do it from quite such a close range as Rooney.

 

[Participant]

Have you met him?

Seems somewhat arbitrary to call someone a disgusting human being simply because he plays for a rival team, or that he uses profanity on occasion.

No, but I'm using my judgement based on the evidence I have telling me that he's more likely to be a revolting individual than not. General demeanour and behaviour on the pitch that is, nothing to do with what's in the papers. It is somewhat arbitrary yes, but that's the impression I get of him.

I'm sure even you make judgements about people without meeting them Castiel.

 

[Gilly]

Exactly my point, the average persons life is so far removed from that of a footballer and yet we judge their behaviour from our own paradigm.

Of course we do