Type R and VTEC owners

bJN · 6 Dec 2016 at 19:14

Ah yes, if it's going to see motorways then yeah, that 6th will most definitely help, I've been in a 5.3 FD before, and it can get a bit tiresome with the standard 6th sat at 70.

Can't remember from your previous posts or not, and on phone so searching is a pain, does it still have the OEM front strut? Whilst the chassis is fantastic and the geo is lovely as it comes, strengthening up that front end does wonders with up-rated differentials and seriously helps the turn-in.

Looks like good progress though fella! Nice to see someone take a car and give it some TLC to bring it back to a respectable standard!

ChrisD. · 6 Dec 2016 at 19:25

It has a Mugen front brace in addition to the OEM one. It also has a Mugen rear C pillar brace.

Stormster · 7 Dec 2016 at 00:19

Soul.Survivor said:
Thanks mate, Wont look like that much longer as I'm putting the car back to standard end of this week. Have taken a deposit on the super charger and a few other bits.

Bought myself a Mugen 200 which I'll be turbo'ing next month. Owned two super charged FN2's now, had an itch so time for a new project

Top man, they sound awesome turbo'd!! A turbo'd K20 of some sort would definitely be my ideal engine :cool:

Not much new done to mine, fitting rear camber arms, new front top mount (rubber has disintegrated completely!!) and track rod end then re-do the alignment. Would love to do more but it's just a daily hack now if I keep it.

Noxia · 7 Dec 2016 at 12:35

Stormster said:
Top man, they sound awesome turbo'd!! A turbo'd K20 of some sort would definitely be my ideal engine

Not much new done to mine, fitting rear camber arms, new front top mount (rubber has disintegrated completely!!) and track rod end then re-do the alignment. Would love to do more but it's just a daily hack now if I keep it.

Like the K20C1 in the FK2?

I have gone through a set of front tyres in 3k miles. No extreme driving of any sorts. Think I'm going to move from the Conti 6's and go for Pilot SS next, see if they give more durability.

ChrisD. · 7 Dec 2016 at 12:51

More rim protection too.

FK2 doesn't rev as nicely or as high as a turbo'd K20A/A2 IMO.

Noxia · 7 Dec 2016 at 13:57

Yeah that is also a factor with the rims. It probably doesn't rev as nicely but then I refused to spend more than what the car was worth turbo charging my FN when I had it. That and there were then the added expense of new cluch etc etc.

Soul.Survivor · 7 Dec 2016 at 14:25

Stormster said:
Top man, they sound awesome turbo'd!! A turbo'd K20 of some sort would definitely be my ideal engine

Not much new done to mine, fitting rear camber arms, new front top mount (rubber has disintegrated completely!!) and track rod end then re-do the alignment. Would love to do more but it's just a daily hack now if I keep it.

They do indeed. As good as mine sounds at the moment. Turbo is on another level especially with a screamer pipe. I could have just sold my charger and put a turbo on my car but everyone's got a red fn2 these days and wanted to be a bit different, if I'm not mistaken, I'll be the first person in uk to turbo a genuine mugen 200

Whatever happened to keeping the ep3 a low cost project? haha

Noxia said:
Like the K20C1 in the FK2?

I have gone through a set of front tyres in 3k miles. No extreme driving of any sorts. Think I'm going to move from the Conti 6's and go for Pilot SS next, see if they give more durability.

FK2 has a very dull sounding engine. I can easily afford an FK2 but sticking to K20 as I'm a massive fan

ChrisD. said:
More rim protection too.

FK2 doesn't rev as nicely or as high as a turbo'd K20A/A2 IMO.

That is correct.

Noxia said:
Yeah that is also a factor with the rims. It probably doesn't rev as nicely but then I refused to spend more than what the car was worth turbo charging my FN when I had it. That and there were then the added expense of new cluch etc etc.

Technically my car is worth more than the turbo kit and a lot of stuff like clutch, flywheel, coilovers, big brakes, etc etc I'm transffering over from my old car and I've already sold my super charger so I'm barely paying anything extra for the turbo. Yes I did invest in a more expensive FN2 but the price I paid, I wont lose a penny on it even if I sell it a year down the line

ChrisD. · 7 Dec 2016 at 14:39

Noxia said:
Yeah that is also a factor with the rims. It probably doesn't rev as nicely but then I refused to spend more than what the car was worth turbo charging my FN when I had it. That and there were then the added expense of new cluch etc etc.

Yeah valid point, if I was going FI then I would always choose a car that's designed for it from the factory.

Stormster · 8 Dec 2016 at 00:01

Noxia said:
Like the K20C1 in the FK2?

I have gone through a set of front tyres in 3k miles. No extreme driving of any sorts. Think I'm going to move from the Conti 6's and go for Pilot SS next, see if they give more durability.

It's the whole fast vs. exciting argument. I just don't think the FK2 engine has any soul. No doubting it's a far more capable car but just can't imagine it being exciting in comparison.

Soul.Survivor...mine has to stay as it is for now, I was going to flog it but I've spent on it what it cost me to buy so yeah epic fail on a cheap runaround

We've upped the budget on our house to ensure we get in a detached so the car stuff has to stop (I've been told

) I'd like to finish it off next year and keep it as my toy then get a brand new daily with warranty etc for everything else

Turbo'd Mugen though fair play, can't wait see how that turns out! Screamer pipe is a must! I'll deffo have to have a visit one day to see some of these Civic's you end up with :cool:

brightside229 · 8 Dec 2016 at 09:45

Noxia said:
Like the K20C1 in the FK2?

I have gone through a set of front tyres in 3k miles. No extreme driving of any sorts. Think I'm going to move from the Conti 6's and go for Pilot SS next, see if they give more durability.

Thats crazy! how have you managed to do that? the rears on my S2000 have lasted me just over 10k miles, and have maybe 1-2k more life left in them, and the car is driven hard every day, and the car gets sideways at pretty much every junction lol.

is it due to the nature of front wheel drive?

Noxia · 8 Dec 2016 at 11:06

brightside229 said:
Thats crazy! how have you managed to do that? the rears on my S2000 have lasted me just over 10k miles, and have maybe 1-2k more life left in them, and the car is driven hard every day, and the car gets sideways at pretty much every junction lol.

is it due to the nature of front wheel drive?

I guess the amount of torque it has must be a factor, I honestly don't cane it everywhere. It's not uncommon either because a lot of owners are reporting similar mileage.

Regarding the dull sounding engine, I suppose it does sound dull compared to the K20, the difference being that IMO, a standard K20 has a bark far worse than it's bite. I have mine sounding quite nice now with the custom exhaust, Eventuri (which makes a screaming noise under heavy loads) and a different recirc valve.
Would having a turbo on a K20 change the engine note at all?

End of the day all comes down to what the user prefers and there is certainly not a one size fits all solution! Everyone enjoys different aspects of their cars. For me, then FN2 was all about the mad noise with the custom exhaust and remap, where as the FK2 is all about the fantastic acceleration, handling and over the top looks.

Loved a full Mugen FN2 though, the kit they made for the FK is actually one of the worst designs I've ever seen. Would not want one part of it.

brightside229 · 8 Dec 2016 at 13:55

Noxia said:
I guess the amount of torque it has must be a factor, I honestly don't cane it everywhere. It's not uncommon either because a lot of owners are reporting similar mileage.

Not sure, my car is supercharged with 400bhp, so im sure im not far off the torque of the new type r? certainly i would easily out run it. but going through circa 3 sets of tires in the average year does not seem acceptable especially if you are not even driving the car to the limit constantly

Noxia · 8 Dec 2016 at 14:17

brightside229 said:
Not sure, my car is supercharged with 400bhp, so im sure im not far off the torque of the new type r? certainly i would easily out run it. but going through circa 3 sets of tires in the average year does not seem acceptable especially if you are not even driving the car to the limit constantly

Ummm maybe the profile of tyre then? I don't really know what else affects it.

ChrisD. · 8 Dec 2016 at 14:27

The SC6 is a high wearing tyre.

My DC5 keeps up with my mates Evo X, which was only marginally slower than my old Evo IX which trounced FK2's so I'd love to have a play with one. There was one on track at Donington but I think the driver must have been a novice because I could have driven around the track faster in my Focus diesel.

Noxia · 8 Dec 2016 at 14:54

I'm not brave enough for a track day.

ChrisD. · 8 Dec 2016 at 15:08

Why? It's far safer than on the road if wanting to push things.

Noxia · 8 Dec 2016 at 15:27

I guess I'm just not interested in pushing it that far. If I wanted to play on track I'd get a cheap Ep3 I think, but in all honesty, I'm not really a massive petrol head, hence why I drive a civic

Soul.Survivor · 8 Dec 2016 at 17:05

Stormster said:
It's the whole fast vs. exciting argument. I just don't think the FK2 engine has any soul. No doubting it's a far more capable car but just can't imagine it being exciting in comparison.

Soul.Survivor...mine has to stay as it is for now, I was going to flog it but I've spent on it what it cost me to buy so yeah epic fail on a cheap runaround We've upped the budget on our house to ensure we get in a detached so the car stuff has to stop (I've been told ) I'd like to finish it off next year and keep it as my toy then get a brand new daily with warranty etc for everything else

Turbo'd Mugen though fair play, can't wait see how that turns out! Screamer pipe is a must! I'll deffo have to have a visit one day to see some of these Civic's you end up with

Haha, I'm sure you say that about every car you buy and then end up spending money on it

. Oh well, at least you're doing it right. Half of the EP3's out there now are dogs. Any car in mind for new daily?

I can't wait to be honest, It'll be a weapon for sure and you've been saying that about coming down for a while now but that's never happened even though you're only like 50-60 miles away from me right?

Noxia said:
I guess the amount of torque it has must be a factor, I honestly don't cane it everywhere. It's not uncommon either because a lot of owners are reporting similar mileage.

Regarding the dull sounding engine, I suppose it does sound dull compared to the K20, the difference being that IMO, a standard K20 has a bark far worse than it's bite. I have mine sounding quite nice now with the custom exhaust, Eventuri (which makes a screaming noise under heavy loads) and a different recirc valve.
Would having a turbo on a K20 change the engine note at all?

End of the day all comes down to what the user prefers and there is certainly not a one size fits all solution! Everyone enjoys different aspects of their cars. For me, then FN2 was all about the mad noise with the custom exhaust and remap, where as the FK2 is all about the fantastic acceleration, handling and over the top looks.

Loved a full Mugen FN2 though, the kit they made for the FK is actually one of the worst designs I've ever seen. Would not want one part of it.

Completely understand where you are coming from. Yes the FK2 is a very capable car as I've driven a few of them extensively and yes with a few mods it does sound a lot better especially the mods you've done. I am very fortunate in the sense that if I wanted a FK2, I can easily afford one because frankly I love them but there's still something about them that holds me back and I think it's the engine.

With regards to sound, a K20 with a super charger (Like I've got currently) or with a turbo sounds completely different. It loses the bark that an induction kit would give you and a properly setup FN2 with a turbo is an absolute weapon.

Agree with you on the FK Mugen kit. What were they thinking?

brightside229 said:
Not sure, my car is supercharged with 400bhp, so im sure im not far off the torque of the new type r? certainly i would easily out run it. but going through circa 3 sets of tires in the average year does not seem acceptable especially if you are not even driving the car to the limit constantly

My current FN2 is super charged and running 417 whp and to be honest the best tyres that I've used on this car are MPSS. Recently fitted a brand new set all around 2 months ago which I'll be carrying over to my turbo project

Noxia · 8 Dec 2016 at 18:13

I recall my friends evo also sounded boring. Is it the nature of turbo 4 cars?

If I saw a mugen 200 or champ white fn2 with full mugen aero and turbo/SC I'd be very tempted.

Soul.Survivor · 8 Dec 2016 at 21:11

Noxia said:
I recall my friends evo also sounded boring. Is it the nature of turbo 4 cars?

If I saw a mugen 200 or champ white fn2 with full mugen aero and turbo/SC I'd be very tempted.

Not really. Some 4 Pot turbo's sound fantastic. I think I should keep my Mugen 200 hidden from you then as it has the full aero kit on it, including the full aero bumpers

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Have you seen the super charged champ white thats up for sale on civinfo?