U.F.O'S

dmpoole said:
And once again they also probably believe in God too.

I wouldn't mind but the 1000s of sightings are all different.
This means that theres 100s of different alien races visiting us and every one of them is playing with us.
At least 1 of them would land on the White House lawn or Buckingham Palace but I'm afraid they come here to take the Mick out of us.
They also fire rays so that all pictures are blurred or you couldn't take one.
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But what if they are here, as some say, to help us transcend into a new level of consciousness or whatever surely taking high quality pictures to be exploited around the world by selling t-shirts, mouse mats and baseball caps is contrary to what they are here to achieve.

Maybe some people have had such profound experiences and have been given messages that they don't see the need to take a picture and to be attacked by skeptics from all over.

If I had a picture of a real extra terrestrial drinking a beer with me in the back garden I certainly would not want to publish this picture for fear of over the top publicity, debunker's, the truth being distorted, being made to look a fool, millions of interviews and maybe the possibility of being threatened by government agents (a long shot but maybe some stories are true).

I don't mindlessly believe or disbelieve I just think that to put it down and laugh at it without looking into it is silly
 
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dmpoole said:
And once again they also probably believe in God too.

I wouldn't mind but the 1000s of sightings are all different.
This means that theres 100s of different alien races visiting us and every one of them is playing with us.
At least 1 of them would land on the White House lawn or Buckingham Palace but I'm afraid they come here to take the Mick out of us.
They also fire rays so that all pictures are blurred or you couldn't take one.
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It's pure speculation though and the hard sceptics tend to go to the same extreme as some of the hard believers do just to make the subject seem ridiculous, that's hardly reasonable and logical is it?

Considering that most can be accounted for as nothing unusual it leaves a small amount of credible and of those they come under the spherical and disk shaped as genuinely unidentified with the triangular as likely manmade but still advanced.

Though i suppose i could just say most are from one or maybe a few races and they're using many different vehicles just like we do and just like us they're visiting for many reasons, one likely being research, which is at least fairly reasonable speculation.
 
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I love how you don't address my point about jumping to conclusion too, l2occam'srazor.
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What point?-you talk about the simpliest or easiest explanation when you won't even look at the evidence lol or categorically deny it when it's starring you in the face. You then try to labell anybody who doesn't agree to your view as unreasonable or illogical as an attempt to ridicule them or make them look stupid. You then tell me you can't comment on the examples I have given not because you haven't looked at the facts of each individual case but because you were not there? You then, and this is what's so amazing about your point accuse me of not addressing your point?
 
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TheBrooder said:
I don't mindlessly believe or disbelieve I just think that to put it down and laugh at it without looking into it is silly
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This is a little 'out there' for me and there is no way I can believe that 100s of different alien species in different shaped aircrafts are visiting us on a daily basis BUT I'm open to the thought that Aliens have been amongst us for 1000s & 1000s of years.
Eric Von Danniken wrote a load of tosh and most of it disproved but his idea that an alien race came here and guided us to who we are today still makes me wonder.
(Its only 1% of me though where alien craft is zero).
 
Radiation said:
Then there's really only one important question, are the craft manmade or not?
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Man-made is a much more logical explanation than "from outer space".

ethan said:
won't even look at the evidence lol or categorically deny it when it's starring you in the face
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Are you even reading my posts? I probably used to be a bigger UFO freak than anyone here.

This is why I'm not looking at your "evidence": Because it's sketchy at best, a single piece of a puzzle. I'd rather disregard rubbish evidence than combine it with wishful thinking and jump to conclusions.
 
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dmpoole said:
This is a little 'out there' for me and there is no way I can believe that 100s of different alien species in different shaped aircrafts are visiting us on a daily basis BUT I'm open to the thought that Aliens have been amongst us for 1000s & 1000s of years.
Eric Von Danniken wrote a load of tosh and most of it disproved but his idea that an alien race came here and guided us to who we are today still makes me wonder.
(Its only 1% of me though where alien craft is zero).
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I don't think hardly anyone believes there are hundreds or thousands of different species and craft, it still seems to come down to just few varieties like i said, why do you think this way when you obviously know most are explainable or questionable at best, you seem to be taking a bigger leap in believing that is the common view on the subject?

You have to wonder about what happened in ancient times, where do notions of gods and beings from the heavens come from?

There's many ancient texts claiming visitors from the heavens, some can take on other meanings like the religious ones but so many cultures seem to have written about the subject you have to wonder, obviously many people even today prefer to take these writings religiously but like with many things as our knowledge has grown we can now see these writings in a more realistic way.
 
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Radiation said:
I don't think hardly anyone believes there are hundreds or thousands of different species and craft, it still seems to come down to just few varieties like i said, why do you think this way when you obviously know most are explainable or questionable at best, you seem to be taking a bigger leap in believing that is the common view on the subject?
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Because I was into this stuff when I was a lad and I bought so many books and read them religiously.
I was around 18 when I decided that God, aliens, fairies, ghosts etc were all a figment of my imagination.
Please don't think I'm also saying that 'I grew up', its just that after about 4 years of constant reading I found nothing and 32 years on still nothing.
I still have an interest because I really really want it to happen.
I want there to be a God, Aliens, fairies etc and I'll watch Sci-Fi/paranormal films and You Tube clips till I'm blue BUT I've never seen any evidence that stands up.
 
dmpoole: You and I are basically in the same boat, though you're obviously older than I am.

I would love for fantastic things like flying saucers visiting earth to be true, just not seeing it. I used to let wishful thinking get in the way when I was younger and as such I basically saw "proof" of UFOs and conspiracy theories wherever I looked, I was tripping over it, but once I got out of that "waiting for Christmas" mindset I came to realise that all my "proof" was really questionable accounts and grainy photos that could be absolutely anything.
 
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dont really understand what the fuss is about tbh. What are the chances of the universe being so big and us being the only forms of intelligent life? Stupidly small I'd say.
Why are there so many people that don't believe that "aliens" have visited our skies? Sure, 99.9% of sightings may be hoaxes etc, but imo there have been many different "alien" craft sightings that are quite probably true
 
dmpoole said:
Because I was into this stuff when I was a lad and I bought so many books and read them religiously.
I was around 18 when I decided that God, aliens, fairies, ghosts etc were all a figment of my imagination.
Please don't think I'm also saying that 'I grew up', its just that after about 4 years of constant reading I found nothing and 32 years on still nothing.
I still have an interest because I really really want it to happen.
I want there to be a God, Aliens, fairies etc and I'll watch Sci-Fi/paranormal films and You Tube clips till I'm blue BUT I've never seen any evidence that stands up.
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Surely then taking the more reasonable view of believing in at least the possibility there is something to the subject is ok, whether it's advanced manmade craft or one or more alien races visiting in a few craft variations theres something to it.

When you think about it we know the incredible likelihood that other life exists in the universe has got to be true, i think what the ufo subject really comes down to is what we could get from contact with an advanced civilisation as that will be what really matters to people, whether they admit it or not, after proof the next thought would be, what can we gain!
 
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thecremeegg said:
dont really understand what the fuss is about tbh. What are the chances of the universe being so big and us being the only forms of intelligent life? Stupidly small I'd say.
Why are there so many people that don't believe that "aliens" have visited our skies? Sure, 99.9% of sightings may be hoaxes etc, but imo there have been many different "alien" craft sightings that are quite probably true
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I believe in intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, 100%.

I just consider it an extremely, extremely unlikely that they'd travel thousands of light-years to our planet without making serious contact. Assuming all these 'UFOs' are alien spacecraft, they don't seem very interested in us, so return visits would be pointless.

Personally, I think that at the most extreme these UFOs are experimental aircraft, but I've not seen much footage that even makes me lean that far. Most look to me like atmospheric phenomena, photographic anomalies or outright forgeries.
 
p4radox said:
How can you be 100% sure? I've got nothing against that view, I'm just interested in how you got to that conclusion.:)
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Logically speaking I shouldn't be 100% sure, it's just gut feeling more than anything. But considering the size of the universe, I figure there's likely to be at least one other intelligent species in it. It might not even register as life by our standards if it's out there, and it might well not be out there.

In fact I think I'll retract the 100% part of my statement as it was written in haste.

"I believe intelligent life is very likely to be out there, somewhere" is better. :D
 
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Ulfhedjinn said:
Man-made is a much more logical explanation than "from outer space".
Are you even reading my posts? I probably used to be a bigger UFO freak than anyone here.



This is why I'm not looking at your "evidence": Because it's sketchy at best, a single piece of a puzzle. I'd rather disregard rubbish evidence than combine it with wishful thinking and jump to conclusions.
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Well how can you come to that kind of a conclusion when some of the illustrated examples defy our current comprehension of the assumed "unbreakable" laws of physics? The point about the technology being man-made that is ?


I am reading your posts and so is everybody else :D



Fixed: "I'd rather say evidence I am not looking at or am unwilling to look at is rubbish. I cannot come to any conclusion because I am not looking the evidence: as a consequence I must therefore be unsure as to what it is I could be talking about. But I am not going to admit to that because I am too busy trying to pass off matters of opinion as matters of fact".
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This is what your statement amounts to. :p
 
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ethan said:
Well how can you come to that kind of a conclusion when some of the illustrated examples defy our current and assumed "unbreakable" laws of physics? The point about the technology being man-made that is ?

I am reading your posts and so is everybody else :D
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I said it's more likely to be man-made, stop fapping under your desk.

ethan said:
This is what your statement amounts to. :p
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No, most of the evidence I have personally seen is utter rubbish. My phone can take better pictures of aerial objects than most footage I have seen, and most written accounts I've read have been too easily explained by something else.

So I don't even bother looking at the 'evidence' anymore. Wasted enough hours already.
 
But in all fairness there is some good evidence insofar as it amounts to it being inexplicable or impossible. I understand your choice at a personal level and I do agree with your points about the quality of 99% of it. So finally there might be something we can agree on. It just so happens that I am a fair bit more open-minded perhaps! (have a good day).
 
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