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Used Uber just the other week, be a shame to lose it in London
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You’d like to know the stats for Black Cabs, you’re betting it’s way more than 14,000 illegal trips?
Do you have a pet unicorn in your back yard by any chance.
As for his licence being real, expired, or him being a rapist, you’re wasted here, you could be writing fairy stories with your imagination.
Your flaming pitchfork can relax in the shed, Uber will buy their way back into the game, don’t fret.
Doesn’t affect me anymore either, I used to drive a Black Cab, but when I had to go back to a five day week from three days due to Uber, I retired, you can Uber as much as you like, I made my dough before Uber was ever heard of.
You’d rather a loved one was in an Uber?
I refer you to post # 424
1) You will always find a Black Cab prepared to go out in the boonies late at night, it’s a good earner.
2) You forgot Frank Welton, Black Cab driver wrongly convicted of rape in 1992, hung himself in jail, that’s two in the past thirty odd years, in 2014-2015, fifteen Uber drivers were convicted of sexual offences in London.
It’s not a competition, but if it was, Uber are winning.
3) You seriously underestimate the intelligence of London’s finest if you think that they’ll be swayed to vote Labour, by Khan or anyone.
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Than a minicab? Without a doubt. I've had so many bad experiences with minicabs over the years, as have friends and family. Uber changed the game in regards to that respect, mainly by removing any kind of payment confrontation and being able to report pervy drivers without someone in the 'office' not giving a crap.
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Taken probably 500+ ubers since they started operating in London a few years back, mostly work related. During this time I've asked countless drivers how well Uber treats them and I've literally never had one be anything other than positive about the company. Naturally I've then assumed that maybe they are too scared to talk about how Uber treat them but then a good mate started doing it full time a year ago and he echoed the sentiments of all the other drivers and still does the job full time with little complaints.
What exactly is Londons finest ? Tories ? Black cab drivers ?
What exactly is Londons finest ? Tories ? Black cab drivers ?
I think companies like uber do need to be kept in check and can't start taking the Mickey with things like software to evade authorities ('cos they're tech bros and are being "disruptive") - that sort of thing is just plain stupid and frankly asking for it when regulators/authorities then clamp down on them. The software exploit that apparently allowed pictures to be swapped was dumb and it is right that they needed to fix it.
However potentially losing their license over incidents with a few dozen drivers when they contract something like 45,000 seems a bit off... I mean they're huge, I'd like to know how that compares to smaller and mid size minicab firms.
They're now talking about face recognition software being bought it - of course, amusingly, the union doesn't sound too happy at all about that particular move. It would quite likely kill off any market for people working using other IDs, working on their cousin's account, illegals fresh off the boat taking a job etc...
Uber (and similar companies with a decent tech stack) can in time offer much better compliance/checks etc.. that consumers could have better faith in than some random mini cab firm on the high street of some dodgy area late at night.
However potentially losing their license over incidents with a few dozen drivers when they contract something like 45,000 seems a bit off... I mean they're huge, I'd like to know how that compares to smaller and mid size minicab firms.
They're now talking about face recognition software being bought it - of course, amusingly, the union doesn't sound too happy at all about that particular move. It would quite likely kill off any market for people working using other IDs, working on their cousin's account, illegals fresh off the boat taking a job etc...
Uber (and similar companies with a decent tech stack) can in time offer much better compliance/checks etc.. that consumers could have better faith in than some random mini cab firm on the high street of some dodgy area late at night.
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So what actually been happening with Uber is drivers have been uploading false insurance documents to there web site and no real checks have been made . A quick glance and it’s signed off . Driver have also been going so far as to pay for a full H & R policy getting the certificate uploading it and then cancelling it for a partial refund . This can be sorted very easily with some approved insurance companies linked into Uber to just have an API check it for them , I’m sure it will fixed one way or another very soon .
There is no way TFL will not grant a permanent licence, can you imagine the headline " TFL make 45,000 driver redundant "? Not going to happen .
In addition to this can you also imagine how much revenue TFL would loose from driver licensing every year ? £366 every three years x 45,000 ?
You might even find that a certain other major player in London’s PHV market suddenly be bought out , at 350 Million it would be a steal for Google .
BTW , I’ve been involved in the industry at ops level for nearly 30 years.
There is no way TFL will not grant a permanent licence, can you imagine the headline " TFL make 45,000 driver redundant "? Not going to happen .
In addition to this can you also imagine how much revenue TFL would loose from driver licensing every year ? £366 every three years x 45,000 ?
You might even find that a certain other major player in London’s PHV market suddenly be bought out , at 350 Million it would be a steal for Google .
BTW , I’ve been involved in the industry at ops level for nearly 30 years.
That is utter tosh - at least it certainly used to be, back in the day when I was working in the City, many refused to go South of the river - it may of course have changed now that they actually have competition
I have no wish to start WW3 with you, but you’re talking out of your anus, I drove a Black Cab for just shy of 30 years, and I didn’t care where I went, north, south, east or west, providing that the punter had the dough, I’d take them anywhere, anytime.
Granted, I wasn’t over keen on schlepping out to Watford or Potters Bar, but I’d do it, but I’d bite their hands off if they wanted Sevenoaks, Chatham, or Dartford, even Southend or Canvey Island.
I think that it was an American comic who once said, “Never argue with an idiot, he’ll bring you down to his level, and beat you with experience”, I guess he was thinking of people like you.
Try to understand what I’m saying, I couldn’t give a toss if Black Cabs disappeared, and you all used nothing but Uber, it won’t affect me, I’m out, and I came out well in front.
Can't say his post reflects my experience - albeit I only lived there for 4 years - there was a few parts like certain areas near Sidcup they weren't exactly rushing to take someone but there was never any problems going south of the river I experienced as a general thing.
That is utter tosh - at least it certainly used to be, back in the day when I was working in the City, many refused to go South of the river - it may of course have changed now that they actually have competition
Agree. I've stood around for ages late at night for a cab to take me home and nobody would. It's what actually drove me to install uber whilst standing at the side of a road. Few clicks and I've got someone to drive to drive to exactly where I am, take me on the 80 min drive home, with full auditability of the journey, in a nicer car and at a fraction of the cost. Hmm.
But it also looks bad having drivers using fake IDs and no valid driving licence to drive people around.
A couple of months ago I jumped in an Uber and the profile on my phone was showing a female driver, but when I got in it was a male! To say I was surprised/shocked was an understatement as I wasn't sure I got into the right car although the registration was the same. Turns out the driver's wife is the one registered to drive, but she wanted to have a lie in that morning so her husband decided to do a few rounds instead... He was very apologetic and seemed genuine so I just went along with it as I had to get to work, but there is just so much wrong with what they are doing for obvious reasons.
I find myself getting more and more annoyed at Uber drivers recently - things like not picking up from the where the pin is placed, or waiting till I get inside the car to THEN do a U-turn.. when they were going to have to do one either way and should have done it before I got in. Or my most hated thing is where they accept the job then take another 5 minutes to actually start moving. If you accept a job then start making your way there NOW ffs, if I'm booking you then it means time is precious (and very expensive for what they actually do), not wasting it while waiting to get their cup of coffee or go to the toilet first.
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Black cabs are only around central London, won't see any in residential areas outside of Zone 2, no hailing anything around here.One has to wonder - why don't you just hail a black cab instead; why do you bother with Uber
That's exactly the point. This isn't something that should be allowed to happen but you have the ability to check before you move anywhere and you can report it. There is literally no reasonable way that you can verify any information about black cab drivers or minicab firms. And that's exactly why Worboys was able to get away with things for so long.
I for one would not want my wife getting in a black cab home late at night over an Uber.