For a new franchise/title, I can see your point and it does make sense.
Ubisoft - How much longer can they get away with this 'downgrading'?
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For a new franchise/title, I can see your point and it does make sense.
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Nexus18 said:
....So it's different?
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Well, there's only so many ways you can play the games....
lol
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No they just pulled the entire disaster from sale to fix it. Shining example of a game, that.
you dont, that's what I'm saying. You care, i don't. Everybody gets it, let's move on. Boring now.
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....So it's different?
Well, there's only so many ways you can play the games....
lol
No they just pulled the entire disaster from sale to fix it. Shining example of a game, that.
you dont, that's what I'm saying. You care, i don't. Everybody gets it, let's move on. Boring now.
It is recorded and shot/shown differently, yes. Has the core game been altered i.e. better texture work etc.? No. Again look on youtube, there are hundreds of cinematic videos made exactly the same way by end users as what rockstar did for their cinematic trailers.
Seriously, how can you not see a difference between those 2 types of trailers, are you partially sighted or something?
Yes, I'm not complaining, I am just trying to understand how people are trying to say anything otherwise when it comes to supposedly games not being downgraded, the reasons for being downgraded etc. Like I said, I have linked direct comparison for gameplay footage showing drastic differences and linked an article with direct quotes from someone who worked on the division pretty much saying it was downgraded and the main reasons for the downgrade, how much hard evidence do you need?
Ubisoft Massive Sweden leak on Division downgrade
So essentially you are saying that ubi guy is lying as well then?
They fixed it didn't they? No doubt the main reason it was removed was to avoid them losing their cut from steam for all the refunds but, the game got fixed in the end and that is what matters, they didn't remove features/graphical effects as a work around and when the fps was manually unlocked for batman, it broke a lot of the physics since they were tied into the frame rate so hats of to them for doing a good job with the fix. Obviously it shouldn't have been released in said state but unfortunately that is how most PC releases are now (granted not as bad).
What did ubi do with their broken and falsely advertised watch dogs game? Nothing, in fact, IIRC, didn't they remove the left over e3 coding in the config file, which made it harder for the modders then...
Regardless, this thread is about fake e3 footage VS final game, not about broken titles on release day/week.
Yes you are right, this thread has all the hard evidence that people need to make their own mind up with regards to ubi and other developers downgrading their games etc. Take your pick, a direct video comparison, a leak about the div downgrade from an ubisoft employee or/and the watch dogs fiasco with leaving settings behind in the config file but just turned off, uibisoft countless jibes about the PC player base and silly comments like 30 fps being better/cinematic.... The difference is, you and others who are saying that the games weren't downgraded along with all the other "claims" have not shown a single thing to prove otherwise
That is my last say on division, gta 5, watch dogs as we are at the point of just going around in circles with the same arguments/posts.
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Nexus18 said:
Ive not said anything of the sort. You are literally misunderstanding everything ive said. Deliberate or not.
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didnt say that either. Seriously, how can you confuse I DONT CARE with a denial that things have changed? they've changed, they are different. they are not the same......I don't care.
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Did say that though, about 12 posts ago.
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Except all my claims are the exact same as what the ubi guy has said i.e. game being downgraded, largely because of consoles etc. Weren't you originally saying that the e3 footage wasn't misleading or something along those lines?
If you aren't trying to debunk my claims and say otherwise and that you "don't care" then why all the long posts? Heck why even post in the first place if you don't care? If I don't care about something i.e. a certain game, then I won't bother posting in said thread, heck, I won't even read/open said thread.
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"wasnt misleading" does not mean "wasnt downgraded". two different things, don't conflate the two.
What I said in my first post:
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It's right there. I said the game was different from the start. If that isnt clear enough then i can't help you.
Nexus18 said:
Nice try but not caring about e3 trailers being different to the released game doesn't mean I can't discuss it. I've not argued that the game is different. I dont agree the trailer was nothing but lies though, what an hilarious thing to say. I dont agree that the gta trailer represents ingame action, either, because it's post-processed in a way ingame isnt. you even admitted that, but you still insant it's the same as in game and not in any way a misrepresentation....
I don't think you even know why you're trying to argue. There's not much else I can say.
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They showed far superior graphics and features than what we would get in the final game, which is misleading and as a result, this means it was downgraded so in this case, they both go hand in hand... And before you say it wasn't, they mentioned nowhere in the video that it was a test build, likely to change for final version etc. etc.
You also said:
Maybe you have no principles/standards and are bored of it but there are plenty of people that do care and have every right to be annoyed at developers/publishers for initially selling a lie.
It was false advertising, there is no other way to put it. Prove otherwise. All I and others see is a "gameplay" video showing superb graphics with no mention of it changing for final release....
I guess people aren't entitled to be annoyed about no mans sky either then? Or do you think what they did was ok too? Or do you not care?
You then say things such as the map changing - not mattering... Lol what... Again, what if R* cut out half of LS for the final game despite showing it in trailers? I guess it wouldn't matter either then?
And no, my point about GTA 5 has always been that the graphics with regards to textures and everything is the exact same as the final game, you are the one who is insinuating that the trailer had better graphics than the final game, when this wasn't the case:
It was shot as a cinematic film instead of a gameplay POV from a players perspective, again, a feature which is present in the final game... Unlike ubi's gameplay footage where they upped all the in game graphic effects for trailer purposes.
Both VERY different things.
Seriously, how can you not grasp this...
If the graphics for GTA 5 were downgraded then please explain why there are no google search results on this? Unlike ubi where there are tons of direct comparisons etc.? Unless you can link me to said downgrades (ignoring the patch, which broke graphic settings)
Maybe you haven't out-rightly said certain things (I don't care "enough" to go looking through all your posts) but your posts come across with an agenda of defending these misleading trailers and downgrades. Again, thankfully you are in a very small minority for not caring.
It seems odd if you say you "don't care", why go into such a defensive state and argue so passionately about it? For someone who "doesn't care", you sure have wasted an awful lot of time discussing this... Like I said, if I don't care about a certain TV show, game or whatever, I won't visit a thread let alone post long posts about it...
It's perfectly feasible to have principles and standards and still understand that what you see in pre-release footage is unlikely to represent the full game. Lots of people in fact are able to do this. Those that get whipped up and start whining that they're not getting exactly what they saw are either deluded or just looking for an excuse for a moan.
You're not buying the game based on pre-release gameplay videos or tv adverts. You're buying the game based on the actual game that gets released. Or you should be. If not, you're setting yourself up for a fall and it's no-one's fault but yours.
Manage thy expectations.
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Nexus just go back and read my first post again. I don't need to say anything else.
I got no problem with companies showing footage like that but... they have to:
- put a disclaimer notice saying this is a test build, graphics will change or whatever on the video, ubi may do this now (?) but they didn't in the past
- show it of in a cinematic way, not from a players perspective
I don't ever pre-order so it doesn't effect me what they do but there are many people that do pre-order based on those types of trailers and imo, that is a bad thing for all of the gaming community.
And go back to my last post to you
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Ryan0r said:
Spot on. unfortunately i think some people will never understand that.
You might argue that it's reasonable to expect that a game may change during two years of development. You wouldn't have to argue mind, it's bleeding obvious.
Some people just enjoy having these meltdowns I guess.
^^
Your posts on this matter are completely redundant after making this comment:
*sniggers*
Do ubi pay you more for damage control?
You better tell your fellow employee to get on the same page as you
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/170479-ubisoft-massive-sweden-leak-on-division-downgrade/
Your posts on this matter are completely redundant after making this comment:
*sniggers*
Do ubi pay you more for damage control?
You better tell your fellow employee to get on the same page as you
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/170479-ubisoft-massive-sweden-leak-on-division-downgrade/
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Can thank android prediction for that.
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In fact, that isn't even the right word to use... Changed the word to something more appropriate
Can thank android prediction for that.
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In fact, that isn't even the right word to use... Changed the word to something more appropriate
It isn't more appropriate. Take a little of this time and energy you waste on getting all hot and bothered about video game trailers on your language skills.
Yes it is, you said this:
*sniggers*
This entire thread says otherwise, in case you have already forgot why:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/170479-ubisoft-massive-sweden-leak-on-division-downgrade/
It takes no time or energy for me as I have all the "hard" evidence I need to make my point, there is a plentiful supply of ammunition to use for all of these downgrades, especially when it comes to ubi, meanwhile you STILL have nothing to say or prove otherwise.
I really hope you aren't getting paid good money for this "damage control" as you aren't doing a very good job...
Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "redundant", here I will save you time:
Couldn't be any more fitting.
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Don't understand the problem, how is it any different to a film trailer being released and the movie you watch being totally different, or seeing something on a menu you like the look of and then what gets put in front of you is nothing like it.
Difference is with a film you don't watch it again or meal you then don't go eat it again, however because gamers and gaming have now transformed this past time from hobby to a lifestyle they seem happy to repeat past mistakes in the hope of getting who knows what from it other than moan worthy topic on on an internet forum in the mindset of they have an absolute humanitarian right to the best game ever, rinse, repeat. Those same gamers then continue to pre-order for fun, accept micro transactions and splash out on Day 1 DLC while at the same time being fully aware of the business practices of said Dev's and publishers.
It's hilarious really and the answer to original question posed by the OP is "as long as it sells the product", which it obviously does. When it no longer does the business model will have to change, until then just accept it and choose to or not to invest in the product.
Difference is with a film you don't watch it again or meal you then don't go eat it again, however because gamers and gaming have now transformed this past time from hobby to a lifestyle they seem happy to repeat past mistakes in the hope of getting who knows what from it other than moan worthy topic on on an internet forum in the mindset of they have an absolute humanitarian right to the best game ever, rinse, repeat. Those same gamers then continue to pre-order for fun, accept micro transactions and splash out on Day 1 DLC while at the same time being fully aware of the business practices of said Dev's and publishers.
It's hilarious really and the answer to original question posed by the OP is "as long as it sells the product", which it obviously does. When it no longer does the business model will have to change, until then just accept it and choose to or not to invest in the product.