Ubisoft - How much longer can they get away with this 'downgrading'?

Its funny this thread shows how game developers get away with all this ****, everyone here arguing over semantics, the Dev's who take the mickey just love this.

or it shows how many dont understand how it works.many builds are made from a games development.some will look play better than others.what gets released may not be the build you watched footage of when you make your opinion on the game.most developers actually tell people doing this footage it must be labelled as work in process or alpha beta dev builds.or the devs if streaming live or by youtube will say this.

i have played numerous games big games in first alphas which looked a lot better than end product which was released but it was also understood why maybe that extra bit of shine couldnt go out mainstream.

its actually funny cause some devs are actually posting in this very thread :D
 
Yes it is, you said this:



*sniggers*

:D

This entire thread says otherwise, in case you have already forgot why:


https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/170479-ubisoft-massive-sweden-leak-on-division-downgrade/

It takes no time or energy for me as I have all the "hard" evidence I need to make my point, there is a plentiful supply of ammunition to use for all of these downgrades, especially when it comes to ubi, meanwhile you STILL have nothing to say or prove otherwise.

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I really hope you aren't getting paid good money for this "damage control" as you aren't doing a very good job...

Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "redundant", here I will save you time:



Couldn't be any more fitting.

'Moot' was correct. Redundant means something different, inappropriate in this context.

I think I'll leave you and your "hard" evidence to it.
 
Agreed, at the end of the day it is just marketing and it is slightly worse due to the timeline of the product being shown off and when consumers can actually experience it. I think nearly every publisher now displays "not gameplay", "in-engine render" or "pre-alpha footage" in all of their early footage now. But the trailers and publisher released footage is always going to show the game in the best light possible as it is marketing. The same as how all fast food places show a burger 3x the size as the one you are getting that looks perfectly assembled yet the item you order comes mushed together and is half the size yet all the components are there.

In an ideal world publishers would be able to shown off actual pre-alpha gameplay but then the online response would be horrific, comments mainly complaining about lack of quality, buggy animations, missing/low textures and incredibly dodgy lighting. Or publishers would only be able to show off the game 2-3 months in advanced once the game has been polished but how competitive the gaming market is that just isn't feasible for 90% of publishers.

Again for people who this does concern never follow the content presented from the publisher directly always follow gaming websites, Youtube previews and Twitch streams at launch. You don't need to get the game Day zero and if you REALLY have to make sure you go in with an open mind and know what to expect, which watching hours upon hours of impressions before launch is bound to give you a very good idea of what the game actually has to offer. Publisher produced screenshots (usually photoshopped to some degree), articles (always super positive about even the smallest features added to a game) and trailers (hours and hours of man hours are poured into a 2 minute trailer so expect only the best to be shown off) is always going to be as ideal as the game can possible be and will NEVER mention anything negative about a game.
 
Regarding the film analogy, this would be a better way to phrase it:

If you were shown far superior CGI in the trailer than what you saw in the actual film (after having paid money), would you not be annoyed?

We're not really discussing the "content" of the game but more so the "presentation" i.e. the graphics.

or it shows how many dont understand how it works.many builds are made from a games development.some will look play better than others.what gets released may not be the build you watched footage of when you make your opinion on the game.most developers actually tell people doing this footage it must be labelled as work in process or alpha beta dev builds.or the devs if streaming live or by youtube will say this.

i have played numerous games big games in first alphas which looked a lot better than end product which was released but it was also understood why maybe that extra bit of shine couldnt go out mainstream.

its actually funny cause some devs are actually posting in this very thread :D

And that there is the problem, ubi never mentioned if it was a test or whatever build and never made any disclaimer notice about it changing for final release. Not 100% sure but I think they do that now though.

Indeed, it is amusing seeing these developers in damage control, they haven't got a leg to stand on :D

I have been apart of numerous alphas + betas and I have never seen them be downgraded come final release, instead, the graphics have vastly improved.. well actually, if you count bf 3 alpha getting blue tint + a ton of suppression/blur added for the beta/final release then yeah, you could say it got downgraded ;) Even the division final game looked better than the alpha + beta.

It is just amazing to see people let companies get away with this sort of practice.

'Moot' was correct. Redundant means something different, inappropriate in this context.

I think I'll leave you and your "hard" evidence to it.

Moot is a valid expression used in this context, however, the use of redundant is also pertinent in this case.

If it makes you happy, feel free to use whatever word you want, I don't really care as it doesn't change the fact that you still are ignoring my question to you about how you think the division downgrade claims were false...

*sniggers*

:D
 
If you were shown far superior CGI in the trailer than what you saw in the actual film (after having paid money), would you not be annoyed?

do film trailers have better CGI than the actual release? no. did that GTA trailer look better than ingame does? yes. See the difference? (i still dont care though, not me complaining remember....)

Why are you even asking that question? on something that's already been discussed as well? It is a given that *if* somebody is unhappy with one then they'll probably be unhappy with the other. Stop pointless trying to derail the thread with irrelevant questions.

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My eldest does that, too. He's six though, so he has an excuse.
 
or it shows how many dont understand how it works.many builds are made from a games development.some will look play better than others.what gets released may not be the build you watched footage of when you make your opinion on the game.most developers actually tell people doing this footage it must be labelled as work in process or alpha beta dev builds.or the devs if streaming live or by youtube will say this.

i have played numerous games big games in first alphas which looked a lot better than end product which was released but it was also understood why maybe that extra bit of shine couldnt go out mainstream.

its actually funny cause some devs are actually posting in this very thread :D
The perfect punter
 
The perfect punter

Are you inferring he's falling for the hype or something? (sorry if you're not..)

Why do people do that? we buy games on the strength of the final product and ignore the trailers yet because we dont care enough about the trailers to get upset, we're in the wrong, we're the ones who don't understand and don't have any principals? (well, according to certain people here, anyway)

Trailers make no influence on my purchasing decisions when it comes to gaming - how can that be at all wrong?
 
haha im far from the perfect punter.as most know on here im a bit of a **** when it comes to games. i expect the best and often in pursuit of getting the best game possible from said developer i end up banned :p

i do understand how the process works though.so it helps when you see something which others may not.or understand.

what many of us need to be is realistic in what we expect.

id love bf to be oldskool super slick.it will never be for eg.it will always be a mess with many bugs and cater for avg joe.

ubisoft games are mainly for console avg joe.so super high end graphics isnt the importance in the bigger percentage of who is playing it.while thats **** for pc highend users.its just how it is.
 
Why are you even asking that question? on something that's already been discussed as well? It is a given that *if* somebody is unhappy with one then they'll probably be unhappy with the other. Stop pointless trying to derail the thread with irrelevant questions.

My eldest does that, too. He's six though, so he has an excuse.
bahahahaha

You still trying to say that the cinematic trailer of GTA 5 has better graphics i.e. textures, lighting etc. than the final game, good lord...

Please, for your sake, go to spec savers :D

Unless once again, you can link me a direct comparison showing that the final game graphics were vastly different to the trailers? But let me guess, you will once again, come up with nothing.

Pure gold this :D

Oh and just to try and explain this better for you... I am asking the question to columbo who said this:

how is it any different to a film trailer being released and the movie you watch being totally different

Like I said, the game "content" isn't the issue (well it is when features are even removed from the game *cough* drone mode *cough* but I digress...), it is the "presentation" i.e. graphics, therefore his analogy was not fitting, my analogy is.

Yup I am sniggering uncontrollably at all the comedians in this thread, anyone defending these practices haven't got a leg to stand on, all just trying to block out the "facts" and act like the gaming industry is perfect :o

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Oh and I love how you say this:

Stop pointless trying to derail the thread with irrelevant questions.

When you brought up the same questions/analogies, like I said, pure gold :D
 
bahahahaha

You still trying to say that the cinematic trailer of GTA 5 has better graphics i.e. textures, lighting etc. than the final game, good lord...

Please, for your sake, go to spec savers :D

Unless once again, you can link me a direct comparison showing that the final game graphics were vastly different to the trailers? But let me guess, you will once again, come up with nothing.

I dont need to prove anything, the trailer is right there. Christ you've quoted it enough times. The point isnt that it's vastly different (again, something i never said.... you do that a LOT) but it is different. It doesn't need a side by side comparison.

Oh and just to try and explain this better for you... I am asking the question to columbo who said this:

I know exactly what you said. I asked you why you are going over it again? film trailers dont have better cgi than the full release. It just doesn't happen so its a pointless question to ask.

Yup I am sniggering uncontrollably at all the comedians in this thread, anyone defending these practices haven't got a leg to stand on, all just trying to block out the "facts" and act like the gaming industry is perfect :o

Ah we're back to pointing at people and calling them all defenders.
 
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@Nexus18 didn't you and midget have this argument in The Division thread before it released? That turned okay good, if a little boring and grindy until patch 1.3.
 
Oh and I love how you say this:
Stop pointless trying to derail the thread with irrelevant questions.

When you brought up the same questions/analogies, like I said, pure gold :D

you asked me about film trailers. I didnt bring it up...

Nexus18 said:
What are your thoughts on film trailers? Do you think that they should instead show 5-10 minutes of the actual film i.e. not cut scenes or would you rather have the cinematic version that is the norm?

Do you remember or did it get lost in your rambling?
 
Like I said, the game "content" isn't the issue (well it is when features are even removed from the game *cough* drone mode *cough* but I digress...), it is the "presentation" i.e. graphics, therefore his analogy was not fitting, my analogy is.

Yup I am sniggering uncontrollably at all the comedians in this thread, anyone defending these practices haven't got a leg to stand on, all just trying to block out the "facts" and act like the gaming industry is perfect :o

I'm not defending these practices but the punter has to bare some responsibility, Ubi get away with this because they can, period. Punters know what to expect from Ubi yet still continue to throw their hard earned at them and that only feeds into a continuation of that same behaviour.

Pre-orders, Micro-transactions, loot crates, Day One DLC, Season Passes are all now punter accepted revenue streams and instead of just not buying or playing an affected game, the public lap them up and throw money on top of money at them.

Gamers for some weird and inexplicable reason are unable to learn lessons easily based upon past experiences and some publishers and developers absolutely need them not to learn those lessons otherwise their marketing hyperbole would have to look vastly different to what it does today.
 
^^

haha

Well it seems like people do in fact care despite saying that they don't care ;) :D

I dont need to prove anything, the trailer is right there. Christ you've quoted it enough times. The point isnt that it's vastly different (again, something i never said.... you do that a LOT) but it is different. It doesn't need a side by side comparison.

I know exactly what you said. I asked you why you are going over it again? film trailers dont have better cgi than the full release. It just doesn't happen so its a pointless question to ask.

Ah we're back to pointing at people and calling them all defenders.

Yes it is different because it is shot in a cinematic way and not from a POV from a players perspective... Christ almighty :D If you want to achieve the same, just turn off the HUD and enable the cinematic camera mode, there you go, you have got the cinematic presentation of GTA 5.

You are the one that is insinuating that the graphics are different therefore you do NEED to show "hard" evidence to prove your point, otherwise, as midgen likes to say, all I see are "false claims".

Tell columbo that all those analogies/questions are pointless. We are doing a "what if" scenario and it is guaranteed that "if" films did show fake CGI in the trailers, they would get slammed for it, well, maybe not... seems that people are quite happy about this false advertising practice :o

Well it is defending their stance, just look at the mafia 3 and no mans sky thread with regards to all the people defending the developers purely because they bought the game(s). It is like anything people buy, they see/hear a comment about a product they own and even if it is true, they don't like "said" comment so they go into defence mode.

@Nexus18 didn't you and midget have this argument in The Division thread before it released? That turned okay good, if a little boring and grindy until patch 1.3.

Yup we did and he still says that the claims of it being downgraded are false :D :D :D

Game is great, it looks great, it plays great etc. etc. but that doesn't change the fact that it got downgraded big time from the e3 showing and that there was no disclaimer notice saying that it would change for the final release.

you asked me about film trailers. I didnt bring it up...

Do you remember or did it get lost in your rambling?

I will give you that.

I'm not defending these practices but the punter has to bare some responsibility, Ubi get away with this because they can, period. Punters know what to expect from Ubi yet still continue to throw their hard earned at them and that only feeds into a continuation of that same behaviour.

Gamers for some weird and inexplicable reason are unable to learn lessons easily based upon past experiences and some publishers and developers absolutely need them not to learn those lessons otherwise their marketing hyperbole would have to look vastly different to what it does today.

Yup I fully agree.

Even though I and the likes of yourself know what to do, it still doesn't change the fact that hundreds of thousands, if not millions still pre-order based on those lies and as a whole this hurts the gaming industry, which in return affects "us".

Even people who work for companies that do this wish their companies and the industry as a whole would stop doing said act:

I do share this in the hope’s that my colleagues and publishers and a lot of people who make false promises and do demonstrations which wrongfully create too much hype that they cannot deliver on ultimately stop doing such things. I want to see the industry actually move forward and not be so full of itself by promising too much and delivering too little.
 
Well it seems like people do in fact care despite saying that they don't care ;) :D

No, see you you keep doing this. I dont care about the trailers being different to the games because it doesnt influence my purchasing decisions. I've already said that but that does not mean can't talk about the subject.

Again, to be clear, stop conflating things. You are not correct and you dont win any points by doing so.

You are the one that is insinuating that the graphics are different therefore you do NEED to show "hard" evidence to prove your point, otherwise, as midgen likes to say, all I see are "false claims".

take it as a false claim and move on, then. I know what the game I played looked like.

Tell columbo that all those analogies/questions are pointless. We are doing a "what if" scenario and it is guaranteed that "if" films did show fake CGI in the trailers, they would get slammed for it, well, maybe not... seems that people are quite happy about this false advertising practice :o

Yeah, but...I've already said that so your 'well, maybe not comment' is not only wrong but ignorant too.

Well it is defending their stance, just look at the mafia 3 and no mans sky thread with regards to all the people defending the developers purely because they bought the game(s). It is like anything people buy, they see/hear a comment about a product they own and even if it is true, they don't like "said" comment so they go into defence mode.

Those are other people in other threads. Irrelevant. Your finger pointing was at us, in this thread.

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Even though I and the likes of yourself know what to do, it still doesn't change the fact that hundreds of thousands, if not millions still pre-order based on those lies and as a whole this hurts the gaming industry, which in return affects "us".

This is the only thing you've got right so far.
 
I refuse to purchase Ubisoft games anymore.

The industry (Ubisoft) will only change when ~people~ stop buying games that fail to live up to their promise, or stop pre ordering full stop.
 
No, see you you keep doing this. I dont care about the trailers being different to the games because it doesnt influence my purchasing decisions. I've already said that but that does not mean can't talk about the subject.

Again, to be clear, stop conflating things. You are not correct and you dont win any points by doing so.



take it as a false claim and move on, then. I know what the game I played looked like.



Yeah, but...I've already said that so your 'well, maybe not comment' is not only wrong but ignorant too.



Those are other people in other threads. Irrelevant. Your finger pointing was at us, in this thread.



This is the only thing you've got right so far.

Ok, so you don't care about the trailers but you care enough about the subject at hand to go into long discussions about it? If you don't care, then great but to me, these are not the actions of someone that doesn't care about said subject (it goes hand in hand)... Again, if I didn't care about something, I wouldn't waste time posting about it, instead, I would be posting in a thread about a subject that I do care about...

What, no points for being correct?! Damn, what a complete waste of time :(

I already have been taking it as a false claim as you have posted nothing to backup your "claim" as per usual...

Those people are the same as you people... It is no different.

So then, you agree that the false e3 trailers are in fact a bad thing as they affect you? So surely you do care?
 
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I refuse to purchase Ubisoft games anymore.

The industry (Ubisoft) will only change when ~people~ stop buying games that fail to live up to their promise, or stop pre ordering full stop.

basically this.i just avoid ubi games it saves the headaches :p
 
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