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What? Rooney was **** last night, the only way Nani could have set it up more for him is by placing the ball in front of his foot then swinging his leg for him to connect!
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What? Rooney was **** last night, the only way Nani could have set it up more for him is by placing the ball in front of his foot then swinging his leg for him to connect!
I heard another old united player on the radio recently saying the same thing. Yet Manu fans always want to credit fergie for the kids that came through the youth system or moving players on to another level when clearly it's not him it's the coaches under him.
Of course though he may have assembled that team of coaches but it's quite telling that no decent youngsters have come through the youth system in years.
1 home team has already taken it seriously and already played 9 games, won 7 and drew 2. The competition existed before both Manchester clubs joined the Thursday Night club.
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Sorry but you cant put the whole night down to one single chance. rooney hasn't scored in how long? He's been thrust into midfield and suddenly he is the villain here? I don't think so.
Did you see the slight deflection off the defender and the state of that goal mouth? when you cant beat basel in 2 games of 90 minutes with our team and funds you know something has gone badly wrong.
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Welbeck? Cleverley? Evans to some extent? We're not doing too bad with the youth setup, could be better but could be a lot worse.
It wasn't just that chance, his movement was poor all night, he had several crap long shots. He's been fine recently (lack of goals being acceptable as he was playing a lot deeper) but last night he was very poor.
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Well you can, firstly he's responsible for hiring a number 2 who is good enough, secondly Andy Cole may have got most of his training and tactics in the build up to the game from Fergie's no.2, that doesn't mean that when Cole isn't there Fergie isn't laying it out point by point for his no.2 to then go and tell everyone else..... also it doesn't mean he's doing the same thing now as he was a decade ago.
Essentially its useless information, if his then no.2 was more tactically astute than Fergie, then a good manager would use his no.2 for it, if his current no.2 isn't as good as Fergie, a good manager would take that responsibility back.
Either way, Fergie is responsible as he's the manager, and as said, he either chooses his number 2, or does it himself. Most top managers don't get massively involved with training, manager = manager, coach = coach for a huge number of teams. Doesn't mean a manager can't be a great coach, but realistically a manager can't do EVERYTHING, you delegate, that's realistically his job title to put the right people in place to get a particular job done the best it can be done.
Fergie's responsible, and Fergie has let the team slip dramatically.
Quite, Rooney was crap and he's often crap, and often very good. He didn't "foresee" anything, he saw City wages and wanted some of that for himself, nothing more or less. If he saw this coming and THAT was what was important to him, he'd have gone to city or Spain or somewhere else. He wanted money, he got money, he probably doesn't give a crap about much past that.
Problem is, would Utd have bought more players, and have been more capable of affording a Sneijder, or a Pastore, or someone else in the creative midfield role....... if Rooney wasn't sucking 100k a week out of the wage budget more than he should be.
For me, Rooney CAN be good, he's not the BEST at any single part of his game, he's not in the world top 3, he's not in the worlds top 10 strikers, let alone the worlds top 10 best players, Utd should have stuck to a realistic contract, either seen Rooney back down, or sell Rooney for a crapload to City/Malaga/Real/whoever. Honestly, CIty with Rooney right now, would be a worse team, win win for Utd
If Rooney cared about the team someone should have sat him down and explained, if we give you 100k a week more than anyone sane would want to, we won't be able to strengthen elsewhere, and that's what makes a mockery of Rooney's give me a massive pay rise to prove we'll improve demands, he HURT the team more than he helped it by doing that.
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To a certain extent you really should be thinking, Utd, most of the best youth players in the world would kill for a chance at Utd, so finding talent shouldn't be difficult, bringing talent up through the ranks and judging talent are really the only two parts Utd should have trouble with, and considering the lack of talent, serious Welbeck is incredibly... meh, Cleverley looks like the real deal though, someone is misjudging the talent or teaching them badly to be honest, they really shouldn't have any trouble persuading the best youth players to join, so something else is definately wrong. Evans, can't defend quite simply, awful defender, about as good as Djourou..............
To be honest, someone like Wilshire, Fabregas, potentially Cleverley, they play football in a way, its just a talent, it wouldn't matter what club they were trained at they were always going to be excellent. They have a footballing brain.
I think, I mean look at the talent coming out of Barca, not just Spain the Barca kids are a cut above everyone, Real youth players....., rest of the league, Barca are killing it.
Arsenal, Chelsea, Utd, buy almost all the "young" players in the team as they are borderline first team already. Wilshire and Cole out of Arsenal, Cleverley from Utd, no one what at all from Chelsea. Its pretty pathetic.
I don't think Man United will be Top 4 this season....
Arsenal
City
Chelsea
Spurs
OH LOL.
Must resist
Anyone suspect that last seasons defeat to Barca in the final has made fergi rethink his tactics and plans for the future. United have always played a very nice hard game but something has def changed this season. They are more open at the back than they have ever been in his time at united and some of the formations he has used are also new to the mix.
Lots of players seem unhappy and uncomfortable.
Maybe fergi realized barca was 1000s times better and this has hit the team harder than expected. Barca made united look like a sunday league team that would be hard for any team of uniteds level to take.
Lots of players seem unhappy and uncomfortable.
Maybe fergi realized barca was 1000s times better and this has hit the team harder than expected. Barca made united look like a sunday league team that would be hard for any team of uniteds level to take.
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lol DM
Who are the 10 strikers better than Rooney at the moment then?
Who are the 10 strikers better than Rooney at the moment then?
This probably explains his frustration at present. HE looks likely to pick up another red soon with his sulking on field. His best years are now and he isn't doing anything. Perhaps he has missed the bus but i reckon he needs a new club but options are severely limited at present, only chelsea could afford and have space
Barca when on form make anyone look like that, remember they pumped Real, comfortably the 2nd best side in the world, 5-0 last year? They haven't just sat and sulked...
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You really are a muppet sometimes. I'm not suggesting anything like that, but there's no chance I could name 10 strikers better than him.
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Eto'o, Villa, Messi, Ronaldo, RVP, Hernandez, Higuain, Soldado, Garcia, Benzema, Aguero, Dzeko, Drogba, Ibra, Klose, Muller, Di Natale, Huntelaar, Gomez, Podolski.
Frankly Ba's form since he joined West Ham has been pretty awesome as well as a striker, I'd certainly expect Ba to score more than Rooney on the form in this calender year.
That list btw, ignores the top Serie A scorer, and several more striker/wingers, Ribery/baldy, and several others who while they are in great form I just haven't seen play enough to really know if they are great players, or just in a rich vein of form, IE Yakubu has scored 9 the same as Rooney this season for a team we shall kindly without wanting to sound too mean, isn't good enough for a sunday pub league, and in 25% less games. But Yakubu sucks and form is temporary.
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i hate rooney. terrible attitude on and off the pitch. like seeing him struggle.
