UEFA Champions League 6/7 December *** Spoilers ***

drunkenmaster said:
Eto'o, Villa, Messi, Ronaldo, RVP, Hernandez, Higuain, Soldado, Garcia, Benzema, Aguero, Dzeko, Drogba, Ibra, Klose, Muller, Di Natale, Huntelaar, Gomez, Podolski.

Frankly Ba's form since he joined West Ham has been pretty awesome as well as a striker, I'd certainly expect Ba to score more than Rooney on the form in this calender year.

That list btw, ignores the top Serie A scorer, and several more striker/wingers, Ribery/baldy, and several others who while they are in great form I just haven't seen play enough to really know if they are great players, or just in a rich vein of form, IE Yakubu has scored 9 the same as Rooney this season for a team we shall kindly without wanting to sound too mean, isn't good enough for a sunday pub league, and in 25% less games. But Yakubu sucks and form is temporary.
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owned! ha. shows there are lots of strikers better then rooney
 
One More Solo said:
You really are a muppet sometimes. I'm not suggesting anything like that, but there's no chance I could name 10 strikers better than him.
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Fair play, I think he's quite over rated by United fans and the English press are absolutely pathetic in regards to him, the fawning is sickly. There are some good strikers in good form at the moment, and Rooney is so inconsistant you'd have to question just how good he is. People take his good form as a marker for his ability and completely ignore his large spells of bad form for some reason
 
When Berbatov is fit he should be brought back in and given a consistent run in the team, we get down the wings and cross and it's so easy to defend against because all our forwards are either too small or aren't good enough in the air. Last season it was Berbatov and Rooney for the most part and the youngsters brought on when it wasn't working or to change things up a bit. He weighed in with 20 league goals which went a long way to securing our success last season.

He's also the best player at holding the ball up that we have, which we're really lacking as we're losing possession far too much in the final third.
 
Shamikebab said:
Or that he can just name a lot of players, a good half of which aren't as good as Rooney.
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nope try again and read this:

Fair play, I think he's quite over rated by United fans and the English press are absolutely pathetic in regards to him, the fawning is sickly. There are some good strikers in good form at the moment, and Rooney is so inconsistant you'd have to question just how good he is. People take his good form as a marker for his ability and completely ignore his large spells of bad form for some reason
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:rolleyes:
 
Accendo said:
When Berbatov is fit he should be brought back in and given a consistent run in the team, we get down the wings and cross and it's so easy to defend against because all our forwards are either too small or aren't good enough in the air. Last season it was Berbatov and Rooney for the most part and the youngsters brought on when it wasn't working or to change things up a bit. He weighed in with 20 league goals which went a long way to securing our success last season.

He's also the best player at holding the ball up that we have, which we're really lacking as we're losing possession far too much in the final third.
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You're right, I forget Berbatov, do'h, add him to the list as well :p

I've asked plenty of times before WHAT Rooney is SO good at. He's not actually that good a finisher, his passing is meh, running around like a headless chicken, while the English press and fans seem to think this is, somehow a skill(a skill a literally dead chicken can do) I don't, and won't ever rate him higher because he leaves his wingers and front men, and midfielders less targets to pass to upfront, its a NEGATIVE thing. Rooney's SINGLE prolific season he DID NOT DO IT, he's a striker who is rarely even close to pushing for the leagues top scorer, playing for the leagues best team.


He's not a great passer, he doesn't take an epic freekick, he's not anywhere near the best finisher, he can pick out a good pass in terms of vision now and then, there are lots of players who do it stupidly more often than him.

I don't rate any single part of Rooney's game particularly highly, surely to be rated as close to the worlds best at anything, you should actually be close to the best at some aspect of what you do.

That doesn't make him, bad, or even not pretty good, and it doesn't mean he can't have an epic game now and then, but again I'll point out Yakubu, he got 4 the other day, does that make him the best striker in the league as of this week?

Messi is one of if not THE best dribbler in the world, he's one of the worlds best finishers, he's one of the worlds best freekick/penalty takers, he's one of the worlds best passers, he has probably the best movement off the ball in the world. You can probably see why people talk about him as being near the worlds best........ Rooney is NONE of those things, which is why talking about him as even remotely close is truly, ridiculously, laughable.

Rooney's issue is clear as day, he wants to be a striker, and he wants to be a winger, and he wants to be a midfielder, another term for it is ,"that kid at school who hogged the ball", he wants to be near the ball, not where the team needs him to be. The single season he scored like crazy he did a job for the team, not himself, he stayed upfront, gave everyone options to pass in behind, pass into the space created because he's pushed the defence right back into their box by staying upfront, etc, etc. His half season he played almost exclusively on the left wing, he was incredibly effective.

Fergie needs to pick a damn SINGLE position for Rooney and make the big twit actually play there, exclusively. He's a "meh" jack of all trades, rather than a master of ONE. If he was a winger who didn't go looking for the ball all the time, or a striker who stayed upfront, or a midfielder who played driving the ball forward, exclusively, he'd improve, quickly.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Eto'o, Villa, Messi, Ronaldo, RVP, Hernandez, Higuain, Soldado, Garcia, Benzema, Aguero, Dzeko, Drogba, Ibra, Klose, Muller, Di Natale, Huntelaar, Gomez, Podolski.

Frankly Ba's form since he joined West Ham has been pretty awesome as well as a striker, I'd certainly expect Ba to score more than Rooney on the form in this calender year.
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Eto'o is doing well in the Russian league, but it's the Russian league!
Villa hasn't been the same player since he signed for Barca but would still include him
Messi, Ronaldo, RVP no debate
Bent is apparently better than Hernandez so why is he included?
Higuain, can't argue with
Soldado has a decent record but has only ever managed two 20+ goal seasons
Garcia? I can think of a couple in La Liga but neither are prolific
Benzema is only just finding his feet in La Liga and still can't regularly get a game.
Aguero, absolutely
Dzeko, not a chance
Drogba, past his best despite a couple of decent performances recently
Ibra has to be in there
Klose, no.
Muller's not even a striker? And the bloke has scored twice all season.
Di Natale, like Soldado is by some distance his club's best player so everything goes through him. Not sure he would stand out at another side which explains his somewhat less impressive international record. Again has only scored 20+ goals in a season 3 times and he's 34.
Huntelaar, having a good season but just NO
Gomez, yep
Podolski, not convinced at all

So that leaves Villa, Messi, Ronaldo, van Persie, Higuain, Aguero, Ibra and Gomez. I'm sure Rooney could fit in to one of those two other spots.

Edit; actually Rooney and Cavani would complete that list.
 
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LOL @ both Manchester teams going out last night....was more shocked that Utd failed to qualify for the last 16 as i didnt see them losing to Basel :/...embarrassing for them to be playing in the Europa league:p.

As for City, not entirely surprised that they beat Bayern, to me Bayern didnt look like they cared all that much. Fielding a side that was close to £180mill compared to the measly £90mill that Bayern fielded, it wasnt a huge surprise that City finally managed to beat them albeit in vain lol. Just goes to show that all that money spent doesnt neccesarily mean you are going to be successful. A little too late for City though and i dont believe for a second that City were in the hardest group despite Mancini's protestations otherwise...they had so much talent, that on paper they should have won that group easily tbf. Wonder how Nasri and co feel about playing in the mickey mouse europa league:p

Oh well thurs nite, channel 5 beckons for the 2 Manchester teams:p:D

On the plus side for the pair of them, at least they can now concentrate on trying to win the EPL...should be interesting to see how they both cope with their respective knock outs in the CL.
 
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DM fergie needs to pick players for positions and maintain some consistency.

Why the hell have we still got cb's at rb and cm positions? What is our first choice midfield? I don't even know. neither do the players. We don't even know who's going to play in net one week from the next. and you know my thoughts on de gea. said it was a mistake for us to buy a rookie - what priceless mistake did he make for their first goal? Even the basel keeper knew how to deal with crosses l, de gea not so much.

valencia ? Nani? Who's the first pick rw ? We've had injuries but were we really pinning our entire campaign on cleverly being fit all season.

the entire team is in disarray.
 
Can we make a break away forum from the Sports Arena where the discussion isn't so stupid and there are actual well constructed posts that give insight that isn't from one extreme to the other, you know, a good sensible debate?

I'm fed up of Utd fans talking madness and the opposition fans talking madness and then the two arguing over the madness. IT'S MADNESS.

/rant.
 
jakeke said:
How did you not mention Cavani DM
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Both don't like him much and haven't seen him much, don't like Gomez either, Gomez's scoring record is like 99.999% tap ins or utter fluke, you have to be there to get them but if anyone watches Bayern you'd realise that Muller is just insanely important to them.

He also most certainly is a striker, just a striker being played on the wing, shouldn't forget his world cup performance at a young age, joint top assists, won the golden boot.

ANyone saying Klose isn't good, simply doesn't know football, at all in any way, the guy is a god. He's about 74 and still scoring 1 in 2 iirc, still playing at a much worse club now but he's still scoring and his interplay is massively under rated, excellent finishing, excellent movement, excellent thinking, excellent player, epic. Just because he plays less and has moved to a less big team doesn't change how good he is, and he's really, god damned brilliant.

As for Bent, I keep getting told I think Bent is better than Hernandez, which I haven't done, I keep saying Hernandez isn't good enough for either 75k a week or for Utd who SHOULD have their pick of almost anyone, Villa/Sunderland play with that type of player, England often play with backs to the wall and one guy upfront, top of the league, shouldn't.

Aguero is miles better than Dzeko, who himself has an excellent record and both of them are on 13 for the season? but Dzeko categorically not, while Aguero categorically yes?

Benzema is playing plenty, and is scoring a crapload, not much more to say about that. Podolski, again, brilliant player, like Klose, he might not be at the best club, or get a million goals, but every part of his game is strong, he's done it for years, he's got a great shot on him, he's proven himself at every level over and over again, great player, outstanding player.

Watch Di Natale, or Soldado, I'm NOT ruling Rooney out of being one of the top 10 strikers based on scoring, its ability. Soldado especially is just great to watch.

ETo'o is playing in the Russian league, which makes him instantly a worse player? One of the best scoring records across the past 8 years over just about anyone else in the world, EPIC striker, if you include Ronaldo/Messi as strikers, they are better, if you exclude them Eto'o might just be the best that has been seen in the past 6-7 years.

Huntelaar is having a fantastic season, and its not his first, he also WASN'T bad at Real, just not used, he got 8 goals in 13 starts IIRC and he got 7 in 11 starts at AC, 8 in 22 is his worst season last year and he has 13 goals in 14 games so far this season. The only reason he disappeared off the radar was they didn't want to play him at Real and that dropped him out of the lime light.

its like saying IBra was crap at Barca, or Villa, because they didn't get 35 goals.
 
The Running Man said:
DM fergie needs to pick players for positions and maintain some consistency.

Why the hell have we still got cb's at rb and cm positions? What is our first choice midfield? I don't even know. neither do the players. We don't even know who's going to play in net one week from the next. and you know my thoughts on de gea. said it was a mistake for us to buy a rookie - what priceless mistake did he make for their first goal? Even the basel keeper knew how to deal with crosses l, de gea not so much.

valencia ? Nani? Who's the first pick rw ? We've had injuries but were we really pinning our entire campaign on cleverly being fit all season.

the entire team is in disarray.
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Yup, I still don't think Rooney would ever be one of the best in the world at any position, but he doesn't even have one. Honestly at some point players need a little predictability in the way they play, Rooney is unpredictable but NOT in a good way. Xavi always knows how and when Messi will make a run, there is a partnership that has been going on for 6-7 years now. No one knows if Rooney will make a run in behind, drop deep, go and foul someone or pass if he has the ball.

You only need to look at Newcastle, Ryan Taylor is a truly awful defender, Simpson is meh, they do have some real quality but consistency in both, positions, style of play and starting 11 make such an immense difference a team with a not at all bad squad are punching WAY above their weight, WAY WAY above. Likewise Spurs are having a great season because over ARsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and Utd, their first 11 is fairly established, they are playing consistent football, creating partnerships, not peeing around with the formation or tactics for every different opponent.

Teams play best when they play their best game, not when they adjust their formation and tactics every game based on the opposition. City, Newcastle, Spurs, Barca and normally Real play THEIR game and let the opposition change to cope with your best, not the other way around. The only games Real decided to try something completely opposite to normal, parking the bus, they were TORN TO PIECES, when they played their ultra attacking game, they actually won a game against Barca.
 
I love Soldado too, rumours are we're in for him in January. Watch more of Cavani though if you need to be convinced, he's been awesome for a while.
 
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