UEFA Champions League 6/7 December *** Spoilers ***

Tom84 said:
But do you not realise that your very same argument applies to Rooney as well?

Had his best ever goal scoring season in 09/10, ended that season with a massive injury away to Bayern to which both Man Utd and England rushed him back before he was ready...

The toll of that took it's effect on his start to the 10/11 season (it's also worth mentioning he wasn't the only player to come back from the WC not at their best, see arguably the best striker in world football before that WC Miss Torres).
Rooney ended last season fantastically though, DM posted that he scored 17 goals last season and whilst I haven't looked that up I know for a fact prior to Christmas last season he'd only scored 2 penalties meaning if DM's stats are correct 15 of his goals came during the second half of the season, that's not bad considering how pap he was for the first half.

This season he started brilliant, back to back hat-tricks goals galore his goals have dried up recently but then so has the performances of those around him Nani for example has been very poor by his standards bar our last 2 champions league games.

Credit to RVP especially last season when he broke the record of scoring away from home he's been getting goals in-spite of the poor performances of those around him that's something Rooney hasn't done for us over recent weeks.

At the end of the day though we're comparing someone who's in form to someone that isn't, at the start of the season when Rooney was scoring left right and centre RVP wasn't looking so great imo but neither were Arsenal. Now Arsenal are looking much better and RVP looks like he wont ever stop scoring braces week after week, us on the other hand aren't playing well and neither is Rooney. I'm sure at some point in the future the roles will be reversed again
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Yes, I agree with the first part which is why I think Rooney has had a better career despite being younger. I also think Rooney has nearly everything he needs to be world class, and I'm sure by 28 when he's less erratic and has improved his understanding (as most good players do) he will be amongst the very best. I just don't think he has shown quite enough yet. I also think people are too quick to forget his bad spells and flaws but he is the best player in the country so you expect it.

Also I don't think RvP is 'world class' yet apart from form. If he performs well for the rest of the season and for next season I think you can officially say he's up there, but I think he will as he seems to have worked the game out and when you've done that things are easier.

Essentially it's fine margins and it's fair to say neither should be considered amongst the top few in the world yet, but I think RvP is a step closer, but that's only due to experience and age probably. If he goes 10 games without a goal after christmas I will accept being wrong
 
I've been trying to think of some sort of reply that contributes to anything but it's so difficult because near enough everything is utterly stupid.

Therefore, have this contribution that is me just showing frustration at how terribly stupid it is.

This is the only part of the forum I usually post in and visit, bar Consoles a bit and I'm starting to wonder what the point is at all.
 
Bucket you're so smart and you contribute so much with your many posts about how stupid we all are. It'd be such a shame to lose you and your insight, especially in the Europa League match threads x
 
My sides hurt, that was fantastic.

It's just the way most people are, unable to have a discussion without being biased, it's just frustrating.
 
Bucket said:
My sides hurt, that was fantastic.

It's just the way most people are, unable to have a discussion without being biased, it's just frustrating.
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It's a football forum and that's exactly how they work unfortunately. Football is very subjective and people come here and discuss their opinions in the inevitably vain hope of changing the other person's mind

It doesn't make anybody stupid, there's no right answer most of the time ..
 
jakeke said:
It's a football forum and that's exactly how they work unfortunately. Football is very subjective and people come here and discuss their opinions in the inevitably vain hope of changing the other person's mind

It doesn't make anybody stupid, there's no right answer most of the time ..
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It wasn't your posts I was referring to.

It was the ones that were completely out there and silly, which I'm sure you can recognise.

It just gets peppered constantly throughout a page of silly one liner posts that are just stupid.
 
It didn't really matter who you were talking about, I was #justsayin, the good thing about a forum is you can recognise useless posts pretty early and just keep scrolling, it adds to the charm of the forum that there are so many personalities with a wide range between mental and pretty informed
 
drunkenmaster said:
Because, your stats are wrong(if only a bit) and contextually inaccurate
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As I said, if they're wrong (and as I said, it's very possible they are as they're from wiki), post something that disproves them rather than post random dribble that has no relevance to what I posted.

You simply said they're wrong and then tried to justify saying that by posting stats of things I never mentioned.

As for it being contextually inaccurate, I'm not sure how a stat that I posted needed any sort of context. It's either correct or not.
 
BaZ87 said:
As I said, if they're wrong (and as I said, it's very possible they are as they're from wiki), post something that disproves them rather than post random dribble that has no relevance to what I posted.

You simply said they're wrong and then tried to justify saying that by posting stats of things I never mentioned.

As for it being contextually inaccurate, I'm not sure how a stat that I posted needed any sort of context. It's either correct or not.
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You seem to be under the impression that I'm obligated to make the point you want me to make, rather than errm, the one I want to make.

Your stats are slightly off, they are contextually inaccurated. After I posted saying Klose was world class, you and IIRC 2 other posted around the same time with a similar "gist" of your posts seem to refute the statement that Klose was great.

My intention was to prove THAT wrong, I don't care what YOU want ME to do, I'll do as I damn well please. I pointed out to you the relevant stats, and you're not interested, that's up to you. Rather than discuss Klose, you want to be arbitrary and pedantic over a stat, big whoop. As anyone can see from my posts here, while some idiots will claim I post stat's and stat's alone, this is simply NOT true. I quantify the stats, if a striker has 58 appearances and 2 goals, but its also a year he was 42, and came on for 7 seconds in each game, I won't point out the lower goal/games ratio, I'll point out WHY the lower goals/games ratio.

Your stat's are irrelevant because they don't tell the story that the stats PLUS the circumstances tell, I gave you both, you still want to talk about an arbitrary stat that means nothing to anyone.

Discuss Klose, or frankly stop going on about it, because this is a discussion forum, not "pedants are us".

For Germany, in world cups, against some of the best teams and players in the world, he has one of the best scoring records of all time, he's been an international great for Germany for basically a decade. No, in a not good team in a league not focussed on goals for the most part, he didn't score 58 goals in 7 games........ and?

I'm perfectly willing to discuss Klose with you, I won't reply to a 15th post of you saying, "but you didn't say what I wanted you to say, or not say, or do, or not do".

I don't need to prove your stats right or wrong, because I don't care about the stats, if you really want to look up the stats, check how many appearances he has this season vs what's on wiki, it isn't all accurate, but that simply doesn't matter. THe discussion was as it turned out, Klose better than Rooney, yes/no.

Oh and lastly, you accuse me of posting random dribble with no relevance to what you posted, except you were replying to my post about Klose being better than Rooney....... end of, you replied to my post on that subject with a appearingly negative opinion of the idea of Klose being a great player....... my post was directly relevant to that. If you don't think so...... who cares. You've harped on about some pedantic thing for how many pages and posts now, rather than just discuss the players.
 
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