UEFA Champions League/Europa League 15/16/17 March *** Spoilers ***

We must have watched a different game, we looked well in control up until the last 15 minutes when they were piling on the pressure.
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i think we must, did you miss when one of marseille got through clean one on one and went for the top corner but crashed it well over? Or when smalling headed it straight to an onrushing frenchman and his volley whistled about 2 foot over, but with trezeguet like power?

I think we looked pretty sketchy at times and relied upon them being pretty poor overall, rather than dominating them with our own brilliance.

Carrick had over 93% pass completion rate last night while Scholes had something like 85-86. Not too shoddy.
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That might be true, but what was the average length of the completed passes?

As far as i could see Carrick kept passing the ball 3 feet to scholes putting him under pressure. Did you not see it when Scholes berated Carrick, at least twice actually for either not being around or for not helping whatsoever?

Maybe we did watch different games.
 
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but they weren't last night
 
The Running Man said:
i think we must, did you miss when one of marseille got through clean one on one and went for the top corner but crashed it well over? Or when smalling headed it straight to an onrushing frenchman and his volley whistled about 2 foot over, but with trezeguet like power?

I think we looked pretty sketchy at times and relied upon them being pretty poor overall, rather than dominating them with our own brilliance.
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Christ, so they had 2 opportunities and one of those because of a headed clearance!

We should have thrown in the towel, we obviously can't compete.
 
can u zoom in on that anyhow? notice that all his passes ate super short and are on the centre spot...

If u go to man utd talk forum and look at the player ratings, why does everyone give carrick the lowest score on our team (some people rated nani lower but it was his first game back from a shin injury..)? Is he simply an unsung hero, or is popular consensus that he was just awful, again?
 
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The Running Man said:
As far as i could see Carrick kept passing the ball 3 feet to scholes putting him under pressure. Did you not see it when Scholes berated Carrick, at least twice actually for either not being around or for not helping whatsoever?

Maybe we did watch different games.
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Is that not how you keep the ball by playing it simple?

Tell Xavi and Iniesta that there 5-10 yard passes are pointless.

Scholes was berating Carrick to do all the running because his legs have gone, we had a midfield of Giggs and Scholes who can't do all the running, so last night Carrick had to, I'm not his biggest fan but he did nowt wrong last night and I thought it was one of his better games.

Scholes didn't help himself by turning into trouble every time he got the ball.
 
G|mp said:
Is that not how you keep the ball by playing it simple?

Tell Xavi and Iniesta that there 5-10 yard passes are pointless.

Scholes was berating Carrick to do all the running because his legs have gone, we had a midfield of Giggs and Scholes who can't do all the running, so last night Carrick had to, I'm not his biggest fan but he did nowt wrong last night and I thought it was one of his better games.

Scholes didn't help himself by turning into trouble every time he got the ball.
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Scholes had no choice but to because carrick kept playing him into trouble though!

I dont think that carrick did anything monumentally wrong. He just didnt add anything that was notworthy or positive either. That is my frustration!
 
It was one of Carrick's better games but even at that size you can see a huge blank hole with zero passes going to the strikers. Our one dimensional attacking is a big problem, we always go out wide, if our wide players have an ineffective game then we have no second plan.
 
it's on the football blogspot if you check image location.

All Central Midfield players will make in the main short controlled passes in the main around the middle of the pitch.

. He can boast the highest amount of interceptions for a midfielder in the Premier League, at a staggering rate of 4.38 per game (Anderson 1.90, Scholes 1.82, Fletcher 1.54, Gibson 0.95). He can also boast the highest pass success ratio of any regular starting midfielder (i.e. 50% or more games) in the league, completing 780 out of 898 attempted passes for a success rate of 86.9%. Critics will inevitably accuse him of passing only backwards and sideways, but an examination of his chalkboards will show you that he passes conclusively forward (that is anything more than a couple of yards up the field) about 40% of the time.

Carrick has also demonstrated his enormous importance to our defensive. He has started 14 of United’s 27 league games this season. In those 14 games, we’ve conceded 8 goals. Of the 13 games he didn’t start, we’ve conceded 15 goals. So this season, when Carrick plays we concede, on average 0.57 goals, and when he doesn’t, we concede 1.15. We’ve also conceded 2 goals or more in 7 games this season – 5 of those were games Carrick didn’t play in.
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At this point, we will attempt to blow another couple of Carrick myths out of the water. The first, that he doesn’t get stuck in. He attempts about the same amount of tackles as other central midfielders in the league. What’s interesting is his success rate, at a little over 50% for most of his career is touching 70% this season, making it one of the highest I’ve seen, including defenders. The second is that he is a bit lazy and dozy. Again, the statistics show otherwise. Carrick covered more distance than any other United player in 4 out of his 5 Champions League group stage starts this season. Such figures aren’t available domestically, but if the trend continues then it can be said that Carrick is out there every week running his ***** off.
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not that I haven't criticised him before as well but last night he was good and as an aside has been praised on another Manchester United forum
 
Chelsea v FC Copenhagen Teams:

Chelsea: Cech, Bosingwa, Ivanovic, Terry, Cole, Ramires, Mikel, Lampard, Zhirkov, Anelka, Drogba.

Subs: Turnbull, Essien, Torres, Malouda, Ferreira, Kalou, McEachran.

FC Copenhagen: Wiland, Wendt, Jorgensen, Antonsson, Bengtsson, Bolanos, Claudemir, Kvist, Vingaard, Gronkjaer, Ndoye.

Subs: Christensen, Bergvold, Santin, Kristensen, Zohore, Hooiveld, Delaney.
 
Dont want to bang on and this sint even from last night but this shows u what i mean pretty clearly:

If you want a midfielder to pass it to your back 4, then carrick is the man. In my mind he should be recieving the ball from the back 4 and distributing the ball. as it turns out he seems to suck the ball from midfield and pass it to his defencemen. Which can be good, but isnt great whe he does it practically every match:



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REAL MADRID: Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Pepe, Carvalho, Marcelo, Khedira, Alonso, Di Maria, Ozil, Ronaldo, Benzema. Subs: Adan, Diarra, Granero, Canales, Arbeloa, Albiol, Adebayor /// LYON: Lloris, Reveillere, Cris, Lovren, Cissokho, Briand, Gourcuff, Toulalan, Kallstrom, Delgado, Lopez. Subs: Vercoutre, Diakhate, Pjanic, Kolodzieczak, Gomis, Gonalons, Pied
 
There were some idiots shouting during the silence yesterday too, don't really understand what the Japanese have done to deserve it...
 
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