***UEFA Champions League/Europa League 2010/11 Matchday 1***
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sounds like our reserve team got slaughtered 4 - 1 at home to Villa reserves
If I find a video feed to watch the match I will comment in the morning - but cant see anything yet
Yeah apparently Bebe played quite well though.
There is a video on the official Man Utd site about 'Bebe's first outing'
He looks pretty snazzy tbh, hard to tell though.
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There is a video on the official Man Utd site about 'Bebe's first outing'
He looks pretty snazzy tbh, hard to tell though.
Just watched that, he looks pretty powerful and not a bad crosser. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'd say he already looks like he might have more of an end product than Obertan. Hope we see him in the carling cup.
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obertan bwahahhahaha ahahahah
can anyone tell me why we persist with charity cases like o'shea, brown, etc? i hear that the radio commentary was calling brown woeful and out of touch with the game you dont see chelsea lugging these fools around from 15 years ago still giving them a charity wage and trotting them out every now and again when we need a player?
can anyone tell me why we persist with charity cases like o'shea, brown, etc? i hear that the radio commentary was calling brown woeful and out of touch with the game you dont see chelsea lugging these fools around from 15 years ago still giving them a charity wage and trotting them out every now and again when we need a player?
I'll tell you exactly why we do, here's a little task for you, go out and buy 2 squad players with as much Premier League and Champions League experience that O'Shea and Brown have got.
Ooohh make sure that they can play multiple positions as well please.
Ooohh make sure they will play for the same wages that O'Shea and Brown do and also that they're quite happy to play back up to the first team.
Now go my young steed and report back with your findings!
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but what use is that if they play terribly?
and please do not try to belittle me by insinuating that they are 'top flight' players or that they are even challenging for a position in the first team. they were prospects, 15 years ago. that ship has sailed, a long time ago.
other teams have youth players or new players who at least are aspiring to become good, first team members. ours seem happy to sit on the bench, and turn in a miserable performance when they are called upon?
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Brown is a good player.
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oh yea? i used to think he was half decent
but in what respect is he half decent? i mean we are a team challenging for 3-4 trophies each year, is he really god enough to step in at right back? or central defence to do a proper job when we need it? and given Rios tendancy to get injured, he is likely to be needed.
IF he was that good, surely another premiership team would come in with a 5 million, or 10 million bid and we would surely take it as he plays what, on average less than 20 games per season?
and what about o'shea, what is his excuse? couldnt find another club so we owe hima charity wage? but play him as well to make him feel better about himself?
but in what respect is he half decent? i mean we are a team challenging for 3-4 trophies each year, is he really god enough to step in at right back? or central defence to do a proper job when we need it? and given Rios tendancy to get injured, he is likely to be needed.
IF he was that good, surely another premiership team would come in with a 5 million, or 10 million bid and we would surely take it as he plays what, on average less than 20 games per season?
and what about o'shea, what is his excuse? couldnt find another club so we owe hima charity wage? but play him as well to make him feel better about himself?
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I think he's average in the centre but he's good at right back.
No team has bid for him because not only would we not sell him but he wouldn't want to leave.
O'Shea is a good backup, can play multiple positions and has a lot of experience at the highest level. Find another player that has all that for 5m or so?
No team has bid for him because not only would we not sell him but he wouldn't want to leave.
O'Shea is a good backup, can play multiple positions and has a lot of experience at the highest level. Find another player that has all that for 5m or so?
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Hasn't Brown already stepped in at both CB and RB in a title winning side, often enough, shouldn't that really be proof that yes, he can do that?
Also, Brown, and o'shea, and others were youth players who came through. They are a step up from Djourou, Hoyte and the equivilents at Arsenal.
Current youth players who Arsenal got free and trained for years before hitting the first team, Gibbs who doesn't play often but does seem like he'll be very good, Wilshire, same so far. Diaby sucks and we got him quite old, Song wasn't trained at Arsenal and is fairly new, and most of the other players were bought in as basically first team players, Fabregas, Rosicky, Arshavin, Almunia, all 3 CB's now, Sagna, Eboue, Chamakh, RVP, Vela, Theo.
Clichy's an exception we actually bought a great player ready to be first team, at 18 he played enough games in the first year to get a league winners medal, he made 22 appearances in his first season, its not like we got him at 14 and turned him into a great player by 18.
Thats considering Arsenal are widely talked about as using youth players, we still buy them, thats life. The players who actually grew up at Arsenal who make it into the senior team are VERY few and far between.
Chelsea, youth players, lol. Sorry where is this magical team of all youth players coming through to make a team, oh yes, Utd. O'shea, Brown, Scholes, Giggs, and how many actually brought through the ranks players have Utd had compared to Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool in the past decade, more than any of them.
Say Brown is a bit crap as a starter, fine, he is, he's adequate cover and better than the cover Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa/City have at right back. O'shea, much the same, has infact played many games in years you've won titles, what more do you want.
A GENUINE problem is the fact that Diaby, Song, Theo, Denilson AREN'T good enough and we HAVEN'T won things with them in the team.
Complaining because your guys are infact good enough and have won things, multiple times, with them involved, is ridiculous, even by this forums standards of complaing about your own team.
If Utd's first choice back 4 was O'shea, Brown, Evans, Rafael, I'd agree that UTD had become very weak, but thats the emergency backup line up, with the first team being Evra, Vidic, Rio, whoever.
Also, Brown, and o'shea, and others were youth players who came through. They are a step up from Djourou, Hoyte and the equivilents at Arsenal.
Current youth players who Arsenal got free and trained for years before hitting the first team, Gibbs who doesn't play often but does seem like he'll be very good, Wilshire, same so far. Diaby sucks and we got him quite old, Song wasn't trained at Arsenal and is fairly new, and most of the other players were bought in as basically first team players, Fabregas, Rosicky, Arshavin, Almunia, all 3 CB's now, Sagna, Eboue, Chamakh, RVP, Vela, Theo.
Clichy's an exception we actually bought a great player ready to be first team, at 18 he played enough games in the first year to get a league winners medal, he made 22 appearances in his first season, its not like we got him at 14 and turned him into a great player by 18.
Thats considering Arsenal are widely talked about as using youth players, we still buy them, thats life. The players who actually grew up at Arsenal who make it into the senior team are VERY few and far between.
Chelsea, youth players, lol. Sorry where is this magical team of all youth players coming through to make a team, oh yes, Utd. O'shea, Brown, Scholes, Giggs, and how many actually brought through the ranks players have Utd had compared to Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool in the past decade, more than any of them.
Say Brown is a bit crap as a starter, fine, he is, he's adequate cover and better than the cover Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa/City have at right back. O'shea, much the same, has infact played many games in years you've won titles, what more do you want.
A GENUINE problem is the fact that Diaby, Song, Theo, Denilson AREN'T good enough and we HAVEN'T won things with them in the team.
Complaining because your guys are infact good enough and have won things, multiple times, with them involved, is ridiculous, even by this forums standards of complaing about your own team.
If Utd's first choice back 4 was O'shea, Brown, Evans, Rafael, I'd agree that UTD had become very weak, but thats the emergency backup line up, with the first team being Evra, Vidic, Rio, whoever.
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no. hes too slow and just loves to slide tackle. vs a good winger he is on his back and the ball is already in the box. to me thats a bad defender. plus he has no pace to speak of and offers nothing going forward. kind of like that man city one but MUCH MUCH worse.
no team has bid because he is terrible and isnt worth more than a piece if liqorice and a bad of peanuts.
no he really isnt good back up. yes he has played many matches for us, (Far too many you might say) so he does have experience. but what use is that if he plays a terrible game anyway? id take someone inexperienced who plays well and has potential to become good? over someone who plays badly, will never improve and moves like a hobbit on crutches.
sure he scored a goal vs milan one time? i remember that but come on. we are meant to be the best of the best, not a, 'he's good enough for the rest' kind of team. we keep him out of symathy and because fergie does not know his eggs from his omlettes. end of.
who is chelseas or arsenals version of o'shea? no one cos they just wouldnt tolerate such a bad player in their squad.
they are young and have shown signs of quality. wes brown and oshea are nearing the absoluite height of their career and really its only downhill from here for both of them
id rather have young players to come in and show potential than old players who are just plain poor.
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I don't have to try and belittle you, you do that yourself.
I didn't at any point say they were top flight players did I?
If you can't see why O'Shea and Brown are squad players then there is no point in discussing it with you, I agree to a point that they are probably not MU quality nowadays but my point still stands that you can't go out and buy that kind of experience.
Your final point is moot as well, lets go out and buy good young players aspiring to be good, didn't we already do that with Obertan, Tosic and Llajic?
Don't you moan about them constantly?
If we went out and spent a fortune on really good young players every year you would be the first to moan when it went pear shaped, you are the MU fan that is never happy, buy young (we need experience!!!) keep the experience and it's (we need more younger hungry players!!!)
I'm getting sick of having to educate you to be honest.
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wow wow wow.
just because fergie bought bad, doesnt mean that all players are bad. he just buys bad players. liam miller, kleberson, tosic, obertan, i could go on, with like bellion, william prunier, larent blanc but ill leave it as that.
your not really educating me, you are agreeing with me - just in a round about way.
i say player x isnt good enough, and you say:
i say fergie makes bad buys and isnt up to the job, you say:
which is just proving my point.
somehow, arsenal can go out buy Rossicky, arshavin, Nasri, to boost their midfield? spurs can get modric, berbatov, bale, VdV?
its not like these players arent out there and arent going for a song. we just ignore them and then overpay for them after they have had a good season or two. we have oshea, fletcher, carrick and are utterly reliant upon Scholes to do things for us....but we have been for 20 years and never got past that?
lets take Nani for instance. IMO he is good enough to be a 3rd winger challenging to get in the first team. But because we have no good wingers, despite buying, how many ? 10? he is not good enough IMO first choice winger. his inconsistency lets us down. yet he could prove to be our only decent winger this season/
this is utterly fergies doing. how can you not see that?
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**** me!
Read the thread brains, I said you can't replace that kind of experience with youth players no matter how keen they are.
Take Rafael for example, lack of experience cost us dear in the semi final of the CL.
Blame Fergie for everything, you're full of **** and I really can't be arsed to discuss it with you. You're blinded by your own rage at Fergie and as such will never see reason.
Read the thread brains, I said you can't replace that kind of experience with youth players no matter how keen they are.
Take Rafael for example, lack of experience cost us dear in the semi final of the CL.
Blame Fergie for everything, you're full of **** and I really can't be arsed to discuss it with you. You're blinded by your own rage at Fergie and as such will never see reason.
Sack Fergie, sell Giggs.
Build a new team of youngsters that will be getting battered for the next 5 years and all will be well.
Tell me, who has been our best player this season?, 35 year old Paul Scholes that's who. Not some young kid who's desperate to be the next star!
Build a new team of youngsters that will be getting battered for the next 5 years and all will be well.
Tell me, who has been our best player this season?, 35 year old Paul Scholes that's who. Not some young kid who's desperate to be the next star!