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To me he reminded me of when Tevez was at West ham.

He was making runs and playing passes that the other players simply couldnt read as he was so far ahead of the game.

Kagawa has come straight of the back of playing for a team who, for the past two seasons, has been playing a brand of football light years ahead of our own.

Kagawa once he has adapted to uniteds current slow OAP football will look better, but not as good as he did because he will have to regress to fit in.

I for one cannot envisage this current United side battering city like Dortmund did, or beating Real Madrid.

That does sound worryingly true but even with the above in mind it doesn't explain him struggling with the basics like the awareness of those around him (the opposition I'm referring to) and his first touch. I'm sure he'll improve but like I said in the summer playing from the left like Silva does for City will probably be his long term position rather than centrally in the number 10 role like he did for Dortmund
 
Its worth noting that Podolski has looked pretty meh since we dropped Giroud for Gervinho in the middle. Look at Podolski in the past, excellent for Germany with Klose upfront, Klose is a brilliant finisher but his interplay with the wide men, playing one/two's, getting it and passing it in behind was brilliant. Podolski with Gomez upfront, whose interplay is rubbish, can only finish, and Podolski looked crap. He isn't an out and out winger, never has been, you want a quality player in the middle, give him the ball running towards the box, and for him and a front man to play off each other.

Podolski with Giroud starting to look half decent and that worked well, Podolski upfront with decent players on the wing and Santi and him working, looked good, Podolski trying to play with Gervinho... rubbish. Gervinho is absolute gash, every single second of every single game from the very first preseason appearance he's looked inept on every level. He is absolutely incapable of being a front man in a team like this. Especially as he spent SO much of the game running wide to get the ball.... he does that and then did nothing with the ball. At least staying in the middle would give others the option of crossing it in, his movement is shocking, his football brain is non existant, he's simply rubbish.

At this point It's got to be Podolski/Arshavin wide and Giroud upfront and pray Giroud comes good, or Podolski upfront, Arshavin wide, and we need someone to play wide right. The more I see AOC, the less I see him being good enough in the future to really be a quality winger that we need.

The fact that Arshavin can't get a game while Gervinho gets picked despite being horrendous, its been Arsenal's problem for 8 years, Wenger can't tell who is useless anymore and its cost us year after year.


agreed on most of this. Walcott must have ****ed off wenger behind the scenes for Gevinho to be sttarting ahead of him upfront!

Even im better then Gevinho as a striker. the mans poor. sell him in January. he had his chance and his blown it. get rid of him please
 
Will agree with you on everything there about Podolski and Gervinho. You can just tell Podolski has the class but with Gervinho through the middle he just isn't anywhere near as effective.

I think Arshavin has to start currently, i'd even like to try him ahead of AOC at the moment who i think needs some reserve / U21 games etc to get his confidence / form back . I know you don't like Walcott but he is sorely missed at the moment and i know there is the contract dispute but he needs to be playing. At the very least he's capable of getting goals and assists which AOC, Ramsey etc aren't at the moment.

Walcott is short term thinking, he only gets goals when the team is playing well anyway, IE they'd get goals and likely win. Most of his goals come in games where his goals don't make a real difference. While Arshavin might create something brilliant in a game we are being dominated in and that might result in a goal, Walcott will basically not offer that option. While we could play him in the next game and he might end up with a winning goal, we'll then start him constantly again and he'll be rubbish in every other game.

Gervinho IS Walcott, useless for 89.9minutes of every game he'll ever play, he might get a goal in every third game doing that, but Arsenal won't win a title or come close to winning a cup with players like that. Arshavin is someone who'll be brilliant for 80minutes of every game, help create chances and will score and get assists.

The more players who are good throughout a game you have on the pitch, the more often you'll win. Walcott is a sideways move from Gervinho, Arshavin is a massive massive improvement.

Goals don't mean much of anything, assists don't mean much of anything, performances do, you put 11 players out who are good for 80mins of 9 out of 10 games they play, you might win things, you put out 11 players who are good for 5 mins every game and maybe 20 mins in 2 out of 10 games... you get Arsenal, the occasional 6-1 win when everyone has their good game together, but a long run of draws and losses inbetween. Walcott is exactly the opposite of the type of player we need.

Walcott, Diaby, Denilson, Song, Gervinho, Chamakh, Ramsey, Sagna, potentially AOC all fall in that category of players that aren't consistent and are rarely good enough, base a team on them and, well we have been and we can't win anything.

I do like pointing out when I'm right but, Gervinho is a classic example, his very first preseason game some fans said 2 goals, great. I said, he was rubbish for 44.5minutes and got two tap ins, most teams won't give you 2 tap in goals when you're that awful. Guys who can score but can't put in performances for the team, are useless as it means you'll lose but they'll still get a goal, and worse, they'll think they've done their part.

Worst thing about Walcott is, he thinks he's there, he thinks he's the best he can be, he gave up even trying to improve and settled years ago. The coventry game wound me up more than I ever think he has done before, without a player closer than 15 yards, no one running at him and a third of the pitch to run into, he gave up and passed back to midfield, its mind boggling how lazy and pathetic he can be. He thinks a couple tap ins every 5th game against a crap team is all he should be doing and doesn't try to do any more than that.

Meh, Arsenal need to buy a left back, I have no idea whats going on at Arsenal, how Santos is getting games I honestly don't know. Arshavin can't get a game but Santos who is clearly absolutely unfit and incapable is getting starts? Yennaris at left back, Miquel, Coquelin could fill in, instead a guy who can't be bothered getting fit is being played? Its literally insane that you can be a professional player and be that unfit. He's also unfairly making Gibbs look decent by comparison, but he's been terrible this year as well. We should have bought Baines last summer the second Clichy was sold, I doubt he'd chose to leave Everton this Jan, not for us, and not without someone outbidding us frankly. We need a first team left back and Gibbs to be backup and Santos to be fired frankly.
 
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When Kagawa was being played in behind the strikers when Rooney was out he was pretty much being ignored most of the time as we still had the two wingers on the pitch and as a team we quite often insist on shifting it out to Valencia and seeing how many crosses it takes till it sticks, which was a shame because as atp said he was making runs and passes others couldn't read.

He gave an interview the other day saying how he was disappointed in his performances so far but also that he really wants to learn English faster because he needs and wants to be able to communicate with team mates more about passes/runs, so I can imagine that's a difficulty he's having for sure.

Just needs a bit of time settling in and I wouldn't like to see him shifted out wide, he's by far stronger in the hole behind strikers.
 
Is that sarcastic? I think our new signings are massively mediocre apart from Vertonghen (dunno about Lloris yet). Dempsey and Siggy look really bland. The equivalent of Mikel, Diaby, Park, Fletcher etc. Dembele is more useful than Modric but not as creative. VdV is missed. Adebayor is already sulking.

dembele is a very good signing imo and vert looks like a future captain. manu looked great against villa and couldn't be arsed against chelsea but i can't really blame him, he is a far superior technical player to defoe and involves other players a lot better too. i was gutted when i found out dembele wouldn't be facing chelsea. we do miss creativity though, i would hope we go back for moutinho and i really really miss VDV and upon reflection, i can't believe we sold him. sig has done nothing to show me he was worth the cash.

we need to start manu in the pl to get his attitude back on track. lloris needs to start in the prem too. and if livermore ever puts on a spurs shirt again, i'll cry. and for the love of god i hope gallas gets dropped. put vert back in the middle with caulker and bring naughton in.

need a clear out in jan, hudd, dawson, could be off methinks and bentley's back with us now as he got injured. i have no idea where jenas is.

anyway, hoping for a good game tonight. bale's not playing :(
 
potentially AOC all fall in that category of players that aren't consistent and are rarely good enough

Can we AOC back then please? We'll give you all of the £12m back up front and never speak of this again.

Pretty sure hanging about with Theo has broken AOC anyway, when he left us he could dribble at full speed, cut inside or go out wide without a care in the world and beat everyone (regardless of league). Now he seems to be Theo no.2 with a lot of tripping over, running into dead ends and kicking the ball to run after it.

If we take him back, fix him and you can have first dibs on Calum Chambers who is good on the right so far too.
 
we need to start manu in the pl to get his attitude back on track.

I think Man City and Arsenal fans are laughing over that statement, he has his long term contract and his nice wedge, why would he bother trying now? He only ever tries at the start of his move to a club, and he has been in a spurs shirt for over a season now.
 
Ok Frank lets see whether I'm narrow minded or you're just wrong....

1stly "opinion" can not be wrong. Whether you like it or not (whether you will admit to being wrong is an entirely different thing, because you never do admit it , but thats beside the point)

Just for your reference:

1.A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
2.The beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.

I cannot be wrong about my own view.


Ok here's where you're wrong to begin with, comparing Kagawa's price tag with others is irrelevant.

No it isnt irrelevant.

Torres is undoubtedly a great player, but even he couldnt just move from liverpool to Chelsea (in the same league no less) without having major issues for a reasonably long time.

Yet you are already criticizing a player who joined the team 12 weeks ago for a 1/3 of the price from a different league and a different place in the team


Here you are being wrong about that again.

Trying to make yourself look big, pointing the same thing out twice - arent you clever!!


Here you are being wrong for the third time, on this occasion insinuating I'm singling out Kagawa when the facts are I'm not.

Right now Eriksen, Cazorla, Hazard, Oscar probably even keeping Park all look like better pieces of business than signing Kagawa :(

I guess that isnt singling somebody out then....



Finally here are the 4th and 5th times you were wrong (because yes you were wrong to begin with as demonstrated above and secondly it was you that was missing the point) so no Frank I'm not narrow minded (do you even know what that means?) you're just wrong.

As proven above I wasnt wrong

Definition of narrow minded - intollerant of another's views or opinion.

Yes that describes you most of the time.
 
No it isnt irrelevant.

Torres is undoubtedly a great player, but even he couldnt just move from liverpool to Chelsea (in the same league no less) without having major issues for a reasonably long time.

Yet you are already criticizing a player who joined the team 12 weeks ago for a 1/3 of the price from a different league and a different place in the team

Ok Frank I'm not going to go round the houses with you over this, all I will point out (again) is that you mentioning Kagawa's price tag is irrelevant because as I've already pointed out we signed him for a relatively small sum because of his contract situation, had he had another 2/3 years to run on his deal with Dortmund his fee would have been much closer to 25m+ so quit it with the whole you cant compare him to player x, y and z because they moved for more or this argument that because he moved for less expectations should be less. I'll put this in simple terms one last time Kagawa was a £25m player we got on the cheap.
 
Ok Frank I'm not going to go round the houses with you over this, all I will point out (again) is that you mentioning Kagawa's price tag is irrelevant because as I've already pointed out we signed him for a relatively small sum because of his contract situation, had he had another 2/3 years to run on his deal with Dortmund his fee would have been much closer to 25m+ so quit it with the whole you cant compare him to player x, y and z because they moved for more or this argument that because he moved for less expectations should be less. I'll put this in simple terms one last time Kagawa was a £25m player we got on the cheap.

He wasn't a '£25m player' though? :confused:

He's a '£12m player' possibly rising to a '£17m player' if reports are to be believed.
 
But as i pointed out, you want the best 11players on the field, not ones that you happened to get on the cheap.

I'd rather have hazard tbh. I'd probably prefer hatem Ben arfa too. Both are clearly more talented than hazard or Juan (it doesn't) Mata. But yay for cut price deals.
 
But as i pointed out, you want the best 11players on the field, not ones that you happened to get on the cheap.

I'd rather have hazard tbh. I'd probably prefer hatem Ben arfa too. Both are clearly more talented than hazard or Juan (it doesn't) Mata. But yay for cut price deals.

I'd rather Kagawa, more shirt sales. Think of all the fans we gained.


I know you're tying to be a smart arse but jesus wept

No :confused:?
 
according to these forums, modric was a £25m player.

That’s my point. Modric wasn't a 40 million pound player and Kagawa isn't a 25 million pound player.

Just because someone throws a valuation on a player doesn't mean they are worth that much. They both moved for their market value, 25 and 17 respectively
 
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