Yes thanks to a lucky OG, the denial of a possible pen in the first half and a wrongly disallowed goal in the first leg
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Yes thanks to a lucky OG, the denial of a possible pen in the first half and a wrongly disallowed goal in the first leg
But that doesn't change the facts though surely?
We could all go back and look at games we lost and pick out those moments.
What if the linesman had a clue for the Arshavin goal at the weekend? What if Chamakh hadn't of hit the bar? He didn't so we got 1 point instead of 3, thats life.
Ultimately when RvP got sent off we were winning the tie. As I said before, I still think we would have gone out, but I don't think we would have capitulated in the way we did. It was also noticable that in the last 10-15, Nasri ran down the left channel two or three times with no one to pass to.
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Indeed, and for as good as Barca were they only scored 2 goals up until RvP's red, I do think Arsenal deserve more credit
Before the tie people were basically expecting a white wash, Arsenal made it much closer than that
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Meh i dont know why people are still arguing about the game....we werent going to beat them at home....hardly any team does that to Barca...sure having 11 men would have been better but even with 10 men i thought we did pretty ok-ish but the writing was on the wall...we got gifted a goal by Busquets to keep us in the game but it was only a matter of time before the inevitable happened.
I take no great shame in us losing to the best team in the world at the moment...anyone who says otherwise is quite simply deluded really. Hell id be more narked off if it was Utd we lost to or something....saying that i hope that at the weekend we can put this loss to some good use and give Utd a beating but frankly even thats a tall order somewhat
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Saw messi's 1st goal again and i just can't believe the flic, so pro/fifa like.
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DM I don't even know why I'm responding to you, because I think you're an idiot when it comes to slating your own team. But sod it, I'm on my lunch.
Look at the goals you conceded at home and away last season. Your centrebacks rushing out to close down a player, leaving Ibrahimovic to run through and score two goals. Standing off them like yesterday and making them have to find the gaps makes far more sense than a gung ho close them all down at all costs.
The gameplan was working (ish). You were ahead (with a bit of luck, as I mentioned) and the crowd were getting extremely frustrating and on their team's back. This has an effect on players that are desperately trying to chase a goal. It happened last season when they faced Inter. They started shooting from distance and getting very frustrated. When you get frustrated you try harder than you have to to score and neglect other duties, such as defence. As I said, Barcelona made it very difficult for Arsenal to do any countering at any stage when they had 11 on the field but there is no way that they wouldn't have left gaps chasing a game where they needed to score. They leave gaps when they don't have to score..
no one is saying that Arsenal had control of the game. When you sit back and try to contain a lead, you don't necessarily control the game as you don't have the ball. You just try to control your defensive duties properly and hope for a break going forward if the opportunity presents itself. Arsenal got the lucky break with the goal but not the red card decision.
Your dislike for Wenger is incredible.
From what I can see, no one in here is disputing that Barcelona deserved to go through. They are the better team and play incredible football. The only thing people are arguing is that they don't need to have it handed on a plate to them like it was last night.
Look at the goals you conceded at home and away last season. Your centrebacks rushing out to close down a player, leaving Ibrahimovic to run through and score two goals. Standing off them like yesterday and making them have to find the gaps makes far more sense than a gung ho close them all down at all costs.
The gameplan was working (ish). You were ahead (with a bit of luck, as I mentioned) and the crowd were getting extremely frustrating and on their team's back. This has an effect on players that are desperately trying to chase a goal. It happened last season when they faced Inter. They started shooting from distance and getting very frustrated. When you get frustrated you try harder than you have to to score and neglect other duties, such as defence. As I said, Barcelona made it very difficult for Arsenal to do any countering at any stage when they had 11 on the field but there is no way that they wouldn't have left gaps chasing a game where they needed to score. They leave gaps when they don't have to score..
no one is saying that Arsenal had control of the game. When you sit back and try to contain a lead, you don't necessarily control the game as you don't have the ball. You just try to control your defensive duties properly and hope for a break going forward if the opportunity presents itself. Arsenal got the lucky break with the goal but not the red card decision.
Your dislike for Wenger is incredible.
From what I can see, no one in here is disputing that Barcelona deserved to go through. They are the better team and play incredible football. The only thing people are arguing is that they don't need to have it handed on a plate to them like it was last night.
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[ASSE]Hinchy;18633273 said:
Home game
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/31/arsenal-2-2-barcelona-tactics-ibrahimovic-walcott-fabregas/
Away game
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/04/06/barcelona-arsenal-4-1-messi-tactic/
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The ref didn't give it to them on a plater.
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OK that is an exagerration, but he certainly made it a lot easier for them.
Whoever put their hand around RVP's throat, surely that's at least a yellow card? Maybe I missed that?
Arsenal were outplayed, and the better team won the tie. It's just a shame that such an incompetent referee ruined it and any critisism aimed at him results in punishment. Simply embarrasing on Uefa's behalf.
Arsenal were outplayed, and the better team won the tie. It's just a shame that such an incompetent referee ruined it and any critisism aimed at him results in punishment. Simply embarrasing on Uefa's behalf.
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or difficult by not giving the penlty in the 1st half
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Hope spurs get through not fussed but would make my sis happy.
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or difficult by not giving the penlty in the 1st half
True but then Messi is getting a bit of a rep for himself with going down too easily. Then you can look at unpunished tackles/raised hands too which might have warranted cards and could have impacted on the game. I'm just looking at the main game changer
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Me, and if they get through, Spurs vs Barcelona would turn me on.
No surprise there...anytime a manager criticises a ref or officials he gets charged...dont really think Wenger is that fussed tbh much like Fergie at Utd.
The ref was a jackarse but i dont think thats really any excuse to blame the defeat on him...sure he shouldnt have sent off RVP for that kick as its the first ive heard of someone being sent off for that...but from what i have read and heard about the game....we just werent and arent good enough....it was in the Sun this morning i think where i read that the difference between Barca and Arsenal is that we sign average french players and Barca go out and sign world class players....this summer nothing will change mark my words...we wont sign any world class GK or defensive players, which is what we desperately need...Squillaci and Kos arent good enough, fair enough Kos is still young and could develop into a decent defender...problem with Wenger is that hes far too pig headed now and stuck in his ways....who knows there might be a surprise with regards to making a decent signing but i doubt it will happen.
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I said this yesterday, I think they'd probably lose but their pace on the counter would be very interesting.
I think Arsenal missed Walcott yesterday, they could have just left him in Barca's half and hoofed it to him, could have been productive.
Spurs would get destroyed by Barcelona. Our defence has looked very suspect against one-two through balls in Europe this season. Having said that, if there's any weaknesses in the Barcelona team it's the defensive capabilities of their full-backs. Bale and Lennon might get a few chances.
There's an interesting interview with Clarence Seedorf on the BBC website. Quite an honest assessment of Milan really. I bet their fans are gutted that Pirlo won't be playing.
There's an interesting interview with Clarence Seedorf on the BBC website. Quite an honest assessment of Milan really. I bet their fans are gutted that Pirlo won't be playing.