UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL ... Bayern Munich v Chelsea ... *** Spoilers ***

Roy Keane refused to wear his champions league winners medal. Real man.

Is anyone really surprised by how John Terry conducts himself any more? The bloke is an embarrassment to himself and Chelsea by doing his best to insert himself into celebrations which he deserved no part of. Drogba and Lampard should have been there lifting the trophy while Terry watched from the stands.
 
Loved the game well done Chelsea. Spawns bitterness in this thread was almost as entertaining ;)

Arsene can go back to banging on about xx consecutive years qualifying like its some achievement while Manu Chelsea and liverpool have all won it in that time.

So pleased for fat frank to get this from all his years of consistency. 909 was interesting the other night when they said rdm was effectively ruled out of the job when he refused to change his team against arsenal iirc when the board wanted him to go for fourth as a priority. Yet now his is unsackable.

For Chelsea to go forward this might end up being a curse as it will be hard to remove him and the old players any time soon.

Great game, loved it congratulations Chelsea :)
 
This is really painful to read because you are so all over the place, no I'm saying, why do you replace a player who is playing fantastically....... why not, errm, replace the weaker members of the squad with better players? Drogba is amongst the LAST of that team that need replacing, I'd replace Kalou, Malouda, Torres, Ferreira, Essien, etc, etc, etc before Drogba.

There is no need to replace Drogba, specifically, until he can no longer actually play football well enough. As for not being able to cut it at the top, he's played in 9 cup finals I believe and scored in 8, the only one he didn't score in was the last champs league final(iirc). Doesn't always show up.. lol.



No, this isn't me not having a clue, this is simply not true. I find it laughable you have to rely on Scholes not because he isn't good enough, but because UTD are the most profitable, highest turn over team in the UK, one of the biggest teams in the world, and SCHOLES RETIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!

If someone is good enough or not, HE RETIRED, and YOU KNEW HE WAS RETIRING, and YOU FAILED TO REPLACE HIM. Drogba DOES NOT WANT TO LEAVE AND HAS ASKED FOR A NEW CONTRACT. Utd, the the 3rd biggest team in Europe, should not have a single top central midfielder even if Scholes hadn't retired. I have all season, all decade, in two millenia never said anything except Scholes is exceptional, so stop talking out of your behind.




It's not irrelevant, and your argument is non sensical. Again, Chelsea had a team of strikers, have FFP to think about, have spunked 50mil on a flop who they couldn't get rid of for now, and you think the could CERTAINLY have gotten Falcao because AVB was there because he used to manage him? Really, that's your entire argument, how do you know Falcao wouldn't have purposefully not signed for CHelsea because AVB was there, how do you know he doesn't hate AVB, or hate england, or hate Chelsea, or simply love Spain, or Athletico, or Athletico's manager, right, you don't.

I didn't say he wouldn't, I have no idea who he likes or where he wants to live, I'm not claiming a POSSIBILITY as fact Chelsea made a mistake like you though.




Seriously?

let's requote me



Firstly read what I said, you seemed to be implying, oddly, that if Chelsea go into a league with 3 strikers, they'll rotate strikers and fail to win a title. So I made a list of teams who rotated strikers constantly. Real had Higuain, Benzema and Callejon all chip in with 60ish goals between them, and they were all rotated. Barca had an injured striker, but rotated left wing and would have rotated striker as well. The only team with one real striker getting games was Arsenal, as I said, and they won nothing and looked like winning nothing. Did I say ANY of those teams didn't frequently start one particular striker, no, did I say one wasn't the biggest contributor, no, so where was I factually incorrect except in the land of Tom?

Mine was a fairly small throw away comment about a daft one of yours.

Again you seem stuck on the idea that because of Drogba's age, he should go so they can improve the team. Again, that's just daft, replace the worst players with better players, huge improvement. replace the best striker with another good striker... little to no improvement.

You were also making the argument that Drogba and Scholes looked better than they were because of who was around them, no one, no one will agree with you here, you're simply completely wrong.

Drogba didn't score a lot in the league because, again firstly Chelsea were **** under a **** manager for the bigger portion of the season, and they all but conceded the end of the season going after two cups instead, which they won, with goals from their strikers in both.

Last season Drogba was great, the season before that he came the closet to breaking 30 league goals of anyone since was it Henry. The ONLY season he was below par he played essentially half as many games as he usually does, and this was down to ACN partly and partly because AVB randomly tried to implode the team. Making big assumptions on his scoring quality and their title hopes, when the MANAGER came in and made arbitrary stupid decisions, is, arbitrary itself. The manager came in and wanted to be the big man, so arbitrarily picked on two players who he essentially fired, and decided(much like you) that the older players couldn't hack it and so started dropping them.

Manager being a douchebag for over 2/3rd's of the season, when he's no longer there, has no bearing on what players can achieve next season.




As before, Drogba delivering in a handful of big games before is, just utterly laughable, he's one of the biggest game players in frankly, history. his record in big games is almost unmatched.

Then we get onto the part of, if they continue to rely on him they'll expect another season being no where near winning anything..... wow.

You do realise they DIDN'T rely on Drogba in the league, again the douchebag manager who came in and failed spectacularly dropped him, repeatedly, and the manager who DID rely on Drogba in the champs league and FA CUP, won both cups? THe past 3 years, 2 of them Drogba was relied on in the league, and he was fantastic in both seasons, this year the manager didn't rely on him, tried to push him out of the team, and failed miserably and got fired?

He could be top notch for another 2 years, maybe another 4 years, who knows, why build a team that can win in 6 years from now TODAY< when you can have a team that competes now, and also build for the future, and also win in 6 years.

There is no monetary gain from selling Drogba at his age, there is no downside to keeping him as he's currently their best striker by a freaking mile, he is one of their best 3-4 players at the moment and has been for 8 years and as of the very last game of this season, he was STILL one of the best strikers around, showing zero signs of age related loss of quality.

Lukuku has shown nothing so far, Torres has been utterly awful, and Drogba has been brilliant, so your great plan for Chelsea is, get rid of their best striker......

haha nice post. agreed on some of your points especially about drogba. still a quality player, same as scholes and giggs.
 
As I've had the night to reflect on it, I still stand by what I said last night :)

Congratulations Chelsea.

It must be nice to have some history now, almost sort of warrants the investment and change in status of the club.

Personally wouldn't want to win a European cup playing that sort of football.
 
love all the didnt deserve it stuff fact is they won it is all that matters .

dont agree that terry should have been there tho only the team who played or were on the bech and back room staff should be allowed

interesting fact

club was formed in 1905 and they wone it on 19/05
 
For Chelsea to go forward this might end up being a curse as it will be hard to remove him and the old players any time soon.

This is true, but has been true for a while now.

Chelsea really need to remove the 'old' wood, not just the dead wood. However certain older players are so entrenched in the club it's going to be very difficult, you've seen the players power of the last few seasons.
 
It is a strange argument. It's clear that Terry is a complete ****** off the field, but he's still been a huge part of Chelsea for the past how ever many years. If Chelsea and Terry are happy for him to lift the trophy then fair enough. Personally if it were me I'd feel I had absolutely no place lifting it and celebrating the way he did. Terry had nothing to do with Chelsea in the final and semi final in Barcelona, so how he felt leading the celebrations I don't know. Lampard should have lifted it in my own opinion. He's another loyal servant for Chelsea who doesn't get himself stupidly sent off against Barca and gave absolutely everything in the final. I'm not sure why Terry would want to take that away from him?

Also, Terry getting dressed up in full kit was laughable. Obviously wants it to look like he was involved in all the pictures.
 
Drogba is still quite evidently Chelsea's best striker, but I think the issue is that many people at the club probably feel he can't play every week (or at least deliver to a high standard every week), so you have to do what RDM has done, which is save him for the big matches.

The ideal situation is to have your best striker capable of playing 50+ games a season, including all the big ones. If Torres can get back to his best, he's the man for that, but he'll never get back to his best if he's plopped on the bench every time a big game comes along.

It is a strange argument. It's clear that Terry is a complete ****** off the field, but he's still been a huge part of Chelsea for the past how ever many years. If Chelsea and Terry are happy for him to lift the trophy then fair enough. Personally if it were me I'd feel I had absolutely no place lifting it and celebrating the way he did. Terry had nothing to do with Chelsea in the final and semi final in Barcelona, so how he felt leading the celebrations I don't know. Lampard should have lifted it in my own opinion. He's another loyal servant for Chelsea who doesn't get himself stupidly sent off against Barca and gave absolutely everything in the final. I'm not sure why Terry would want to take that away from him?

Also, Terry getting dressed up in full kit was laughable. Obviously wants it to look like he was involved in all the pictures.

It's just that people despise Terry. They aren't oblivious to the fact that the Champions League trophy isn't just for winning the final, but a representation of every game played from the group stages to the final, and Terry (as well as Ivanovic, Ramires, Meireles) played as big a part in getting Chelsea as far as the Nou Camp as anybody in the squad. He certainly played more minutes in the Champions League this season than Drogba. You could even say that last night was not just a great end to a great spell for Chelsea under Di Matteo, but a culmination of everything that's happened since Roman took over, and Terry has played a bigger part than anybody in the squad (but Lampard) during that time.

If it wasn't Terry, nothing would be made of it.
 
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fianlly someone notice the beach ball too!

LOL i saw it when it first happened, just thinking about it earlier today made me wonder why the ref didnt ask Robben to re-take the penalty. But watching back the highlights, Robben didnt say anything to the ref, had he made a fuss maybe the ref would have agreed with him and told him to re-take the penalty.
 
Just noticed that Bosingwa and Lampard did their best to block Terry - who apparently was wearing shinpads?! - out of the trophy presentation. My respect for them has increased tenfold. :D

Good stuff, shame Chelsea as a whole didnt ban him from the game ie told him to stay at home the racist ****.
 
Except it wasn't on the pitch when he took the pen, or when it was saved... and didn't interfere with play at all...

Fair enough, like i said i wasnt sure if it did hinder him but if what you say is correct then fair enough.
 
PaddyMC89 said:
It's just that people despise Terry. They aren't oblivious to the fact that the Champions League trophy isn't just for winning the final, but a representation of every game played from the group stages to the final, and Terry (as well as Ivanovic, Ramires, Meireles) played as big a part in getting Chelsea as far as the Nou Camp as anybody in the squad. He certainly played more minutes in the Champions League this season than Drogba. You could even say that last night was not just a great end to a great spell for Chelsea under Di Matteo, but a culmination of everything that's happened since Roman took over, and Terry has played a bigger part than anybody in the squad (but Lampard) during that time.

If it wasn't Terry, nothing would be made of it.

Totally. Every one hates Terry which is a major factor. I personally have never really had a problem with him. I tend to ignore off the pitch news as its irrelevant and most of the time boring. He's always put his heart on the line for Chelsea and England and that's all that matters to me. I get your point about contributing over the whole campaign, I even referred to it at the beginning of my initial post. I would just feel weird lifting the trophy after actually making things harder for my team (the sending off).
 
There is no need to replace Drogba, specifically, until he can no longer actually play football well enough. As for not being able to cut it at the top, he's played in 9 cup finals I believe and scored in 8, the only one he didn't score in was the last champs league final(iirc). Doesn't always show up.. lol.

My god it's painful reading your tripe. Are you seriously saying that because Drogba has scored in 8 out of 9 finals over the course of his Chelsea career that makes him exempt from the criticism for the games he failed to perform in this season? Drogba like all players find their goal scoring form diminish as they get older, again this doesn't mean on their day they cant still be a threat and turn in MOTM performances what it does mean though is over the course of 40+ games in a season their ability to do it becomes less and less frequent.

No, this isn't me not having a clue, this is simply not true. I find it laughable you have to rely on Scholes not because he isn't good enough, but because UTD are the most profitable, highest turn over team in the UK, one of the biggest teams in the world, and SCHOLES RETIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Scholes is back now and he's staying next season so I guess that means in your opinion because United now have 1 top central midfielder next season and if Drogba stays at Chelsea they have 1 top centre forward I assume that's fine and dandy for both clubs then? Because you know age doesn't matter does it?

It's not irrelevant, and your argument is non sensical. Again, Chelsea had a team of strikers, have FFP to think about, have spunked 50mil on a flop who they couldn't get rid of for now, and you think the could CERTAINLY have gotten Falcao because AVB was there because he used to manage him? Really, that's your entire argument, how do you know Falcao wouldn't have purposefully not signed for CHelsea because AVB was there, how do you know he doesn't hate AVB, or hate england, or hate Chelsea, or simply love Spain, or Athletico, or Athletico's manager, right, you don't.

I didn't say he wouldn't, I have no idea who he likes or where he wants to live, I'm not claiming a POSSIBILITY as fact Chelsea made a mistake like you though.

Did I say it was a mistake? Did I? No. I said there's players out there (Falcao being an example of someone) Chelsea could have signed that not only could have done just as well as Drogba but because of his age done better, something you said hundreds of Strikers couldn't do

Firstly read what I said, you seemed to be implying, oddly, that if Chelsea go into a league with 3 strikers, they'll rotate strikers and fail to win a title. So I made a list of teams who rotated strikers constantly. Real had Higuain, Benzema and Callejon all chip in with 60ish goals between them, and they were all rotated.

lol and you dont see the difference? Real Madrid rotating 3 strikers in their prime get 60 odd goals between them (assuming you're correct). Chelsea rotate between one over the hill striker and another also well past his best and they get 24 goals between them! Are you seriously that stupid you cant see the difference?

The only team with one real striker getting games was Arsenal, as I said, and they won nothing and looked like winning nothing. Did I say ANY of those teams didn't frequently start one particular striker, no, did I say one wasn't the biggest contributor, no, so where was I factually incorrect except in the land of Tom?

What was factually incorrect & contradictory was you said and I quote The only team I can name who won a title this year who have a single scoring striker is Arsenal. See the problem there?

Again you seem stuck on the idea that because of Drogba's age, he should go so they can improve the team. Again, that's just daft, replace the worst players with better players, huge improvement. replace the best striker with another good striker... little to no improvement.

No what I'm saying is you replace your best striker who's now only capable of doing the brilliant in a hand full of games with a striker who's capable of not only doing it in the big games but also the smaller games which equals massive improvement.

You were also making the argument that Drogba and Scholes looked better than they were because of who was around them, no one, no one will agree with you here, you're simply completely wrong.

Show me where I said that? I'll give you a heads up though you wont find it and you wont find it because I'm one of Michael Carrick's biggest supporters. The point I made somewhat loosely about Scholes was it is a 'problem' for Man Utd to be relying upon a 37 year old.

Drogba didn't score a lot in the league because, again firstly Chelsea were **** under a **** manager for the bigger portion of the season, and they all but conceded the end of the season going after two cups instead, which they won, with goals from their strikers in both.

Last season Drogba was great, the season before that he came the closet to breaking 30 league goals of anyone since was it Henry. The ONLY season he was below par he played essentially half as many games as he usually does, and this was down to ACN partly and partly because AVB randomly tried to implode the team. Making big assumptions on his scoring quality and their title hopes, when the MANAGER came in and made arbitrary stupid decisions, is, arbitrary itself. The manager came in and wanted to be the big man, so arbitrarily picked on two players who he essentially fired, and decided(much like you) that the older players couldn't hack it and so started dropping them.

Manager being a douchebag for over 2/3rd's of the season, when he's no longer there, has no bearing on what players can achieve next season.

Without looking at Drobga's past seasons the only retort here I need is that you yourself said only a few days ago Drogba was inconsistent.

There is no monetary gain from selling Drogba at his age, there is no downside to keeping him as he's currently their best striker by a freaking mile, he is one of their best 3-4 players at the moment and has been for 8 years and as of the very last game of this season, he was STILL one of the best strikers around, showing zero signs of age related loss of quality.

Lukuku has shown nothing so far, Torres has been utterly awful, and Drogba has been brilliant, so your great plan for Chelsea is, get rid of their best striker......

Once again the great plan is to get a striker who's younger and thus more capable of the brilliant in more than just a handful of games a season, the monetary gain from letting Drogba go is that his huge wages can be be given to said better player.
 
Well done to Chelsea for remaining composed during penalties.

Good point, both were equally composed on penalties, Luiz's was stunning and Lampards was pretty well hit but on the replay could have been saved. Only person who didn't look like scoring was Mata, the rest was great work by Cech.
 
Congrats, you got someone suspended because of your pointless trolling.

I suppose it feels really good.

Oh dont be silly, he made a comment but its not his fault that Gustov got suspended....Gustov needs to learn to ignore people who make those comments, there was no need for him to insult him ie personal attack. Needs to grow a thicker skin;)
 
Oh dont be silly, he made a comment but its not his fault that Gustov got suspended....Gustov needs to learn to ignore people who make those comments, there was no need for him to insult him ie personal attack. Needs to grow a thicker skin;)

Calling it a horrible club with no real basis is just bitter and trolling. Wish you could hide awful posts on these forums
 
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