UEFA Euro 2016 Group B ** spoilers** (England, Slovakia, Russia, Wales)

No need to worry, Sterling won't play another minute this tournament.

You do realise Roy Hodgson is the manager right?

He probably thinks the reason we won is because of substitutions, not who they are, so the best thing to do now is play the same starting team and make 3 subs at half time.
 
You do realise Roy Hodgson is the manager right?

He probably thinks the reason we won is because of substitutions, not who they are, so the best thing to do now is play the same starting team and make 3 subs at half time.

As incompetent as he is, even he must realise Sterling is handicapping the team.

We will see come Monday, would be ridiculous if he started.
 
Yup, the fawning afterwards from pundits was embarrassing, genuinely embarrassing.



No, it really wasn't. Good passing means making harder passes well, purposefully refusing to make more difficult passes which resulted in the teams complete awfulness in attack and only making simple mostly backwards and sideways passing isn't good passing. The reason the offence was so poor was because the ball went through Rooney and it slowed down every attack.

Nothing to do with sterling being awful? No right winger? Harry Kane offering nothing up front? None of that was Rooneys fault. When we changed those two players we seemed much sharper.

Rooney probably had our best shot too, going bottom corner but the keeper smuggled it away...(of shots more than 5 yards out that didn't go in Ofc).
 
Nothing to do with sterling being awful? No right winger? Harry Kane offering nothing up front? None of that was Rooneys fault. When we changed those two players we seemed much sharper.

Rooney probably had our best shot too, going bottom corner but the keeper smuggled it away...(of shots more than 5 yards out that didn't go in Ofc).

He passed it, it was a painfully easy and over dramatic save. It was like watching Walcott shoot from that range, if that had gone in it would have been both a miracle and a monumental keeping error.

Also the team improved after the break because the other players got on the ball more than Rooney in the second half. First half nearly everything went through Rooney and we were terrible, slow, uncreative and static. Second half the movement we had and when mostly bypassing Rooney the team was better, not brilliant but better. Still when Rooney got on the ball we slowed down and did almost nothing. When everyone is waiting for a ball that never comes they stop making runs, they stop getting into space because they are no longer anticipating a ball to them but a ball passed back to the defence.

Utd play and act exactly the same in games Rooney spends all his time on the ball, slowly everyone just ends up standing still waiting for someone to do something. Quite often when Utd didn't play Rooney they improved significantly, when Rooney went off in warm up games the same thing happened, movement improved, tempo improved and the entire front line improved.... it is not a coincidence.
 
The question re Rooney shouldn't be whether he contributes in individual moments (one off passes etc) but whether the side as a whole is best with him in it and particularly with him in midfield. Rooney will hit the odd 40 yard ball that leads to an attack and taking set-plays he's likely to register more key passes than other players however the midfield was a shambles today. There was no control whatsoever, the game bypassed the midfield the majority of time in actual fact. If he's playing as a forward then fair enough - he's not going to make a massive difference to the system and his individual moments can make a difference in the outcome of the game. In midfield he massively effects how the team plays as a whole and because of where he's playing, any individual moments he can come up with aren't likely to count for much.

Both from an attacking and defensive point of view the midfield didn't do it's job today - Dier, Rooney and Alli is just a mishmash of a midfield. Not only couldn't our midfield support our attacks in terms of keeping/winning possession back and keeping Wales pinned back but equally when Wales did venture forward they were often straight at our back 4.
 
The question re Rooney shouldn't be whether he contributes in individual moments (one off passes etc) but whether the side as a whole is best with him in it and particularly with him in midfield. Rooney will hit the odd 40 yard ball that leads to an attack and taking set-plays he's likely to register more key passes than other players however the midfield was a shambles today. There was no control whatsoever, the game bypassed the midfield the majority of time in actual fact.

Both from an attacking and defensive point of view the midfield didn't do it's job today. Not only couldn't our midfield support our attacks in terms of keeping/winning possession back and keeping Wales pinned back but equally when Wales did venture forward they were often straight at our back 4.

But a key pass is a key pass, it's a pass which is potentially an assist, therefore he could have had 6 assists today had the shooting been better. To be honest though, the whole game was a mess, they had so many men back, it was always going to be hard breaking that down, especially after Hart gifted them a goal. I think England did dam well to come back from a goal down to win. It was a game of passion rather than tactics, but that was always going to be the case as it was Wales v England, most important thing is to keep on improving as the tournament goes on.
 
Sorry I edited my post.

A 2 yard sideways pass that leads to a 40 yard hopeful shot is a key pass. A set-play that one of your teammates just about reaches but doesn't get an attempt nearly on target is a key pass. How many of Rooney's key passes actually created a chance? I honestly can't think of any. I can only assume that most, if not all of Rooney's key passes were simply a result of him taking set-plays.

That said, Rooney undoubtedly has the ability to make things happen. As per my edit, by playing him in midifled any individual moments he does produce aren't likely to lead to a clear chance on goal or a goal itself. Playing him in midfield, imo, is detrimental to the teams performance as a whole and by being so deep he can't make up for that with a moment of magic either. Again as I said in my edit, if he were playing further forward then he's not going to have as big an influence on the overall system/performance of the team and any individual moments he does come up with are far more likely to count for something. Not that I'd play him up front either though - Sturridge and Kane imo could be an excellent partnership.
 

I suppose in theory a 40 yard shot from a 2 yard pass is a key pass but does it really work like that? You've got to assume that players are taking shots which they believe they can score so Rooney is passing to people in an area where they believe they can score.

I think Rooney has been the best midfielder in the England games so far along with Lallana. Kane/Vardy, Studge, Lallana, Rooney, Wilshere and Dier would be an interesting combo in a diamond formation.

I think Hodgson has in his head he can't play a diamond because of the performance against Portugal, but in reality, a diamond formation is far more fitting because we don't have many in form wingers, if any tbh. We also have the perfect full backs for a diamond. He won't change it for the Slovakia game though but who could blame him, playing with a fire a bit, if it doesn't work, he'll be nailed to the cross for trying it.
 
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As I asked, can you think of any chances Rooney actually created with these key passes? I genuinely can't other than a couple of headers from set-plays that were never really threatening.

And your midfield 4 as a diamond is terrifying. Wilshere and Dier would be competing for the pivot role and then you need runners in the 2 wider positions if you're going to play a diamond - ie not Rooney. A diamond can only work with 2 of Henderson, Milner and Alli playing.
 
As I asked, can you think of any chances Rooney actually created with these key passes? I genuinely can't other than a couple of headers from set-plays that were never really threatening.

And your midfield 4 as a diamond is terrifying. Wilshere and Dier would be competing for the pivot role and then you need runners in the 2 wider positions if you're going to play a diamond - ie not Rooney. A diamond can only work with 2 of Henderson, Milner and Alli playing.

Can't really think off the top of my head either, i'll be watching the game again tomorrow night so i'll make a note of it, will be interesting to see. For comparisons sake, Iniesta had 5 key passes with his MOTM performance v the Czechs

How is this terrifying?

-------Lallana
Wilshere--Rooney
--------Dier

These guys aren't dumb footballers, i agree about whether you can trust Rooney to eat up the miles required for RCM position but you could also counter it by giving Walker instructions. I don't really know what this pivot role is tbh so i can't comment on it.

Milner i thought would be a given in this team instead of Stirling, obviously not though. I like Milner as a player, plays it simple but effective.
 
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How is this terrifying?

Because you've picked 2 players that couldn't be more unsuitable to playing in the wider roles of a diamond midfield. You have got to have runners in those positions - they need to be able to play box to box, at times end up in the right/left wing spot, get back and help their fullback, tuck in and support the holding midfielder. Rooney nor Wilshere can do that.

If you play Rooney and Wilshere either side of Dier then you have to play with wide players that will get up and down the pitch.

If you're going for a diamond then you need a play maker sitting deep (which Dier isn't) and then you have 2 players either side of him doing his dirty work (which Rooney and Wilshere aren't capable of doing).
 
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