UEFA Euro 2016 Group B ** spoilers** (England, Slovakia, Russia, Wales)
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Finish top and get Romania or Czech republic (probably)? That'd do. I wouldn't fancy Croatia though.
Either way we need to finish top, potentially avoid France later on although I personally don't think they've looked particularly good.
Either way we need to finish top, potentially avoid France later on although I personally don't think they've looked particularly good.
We basically beat Portugal in the last game. Awful, with one star player and a couple of distinctly average ones.
I wouldn't fancy Croatia either. Some real class in there.
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I don't see the problem. If England do well then great. Keep Roy. If they don't do well then no problem. Replace the manager.
To be frank it doesn't matter who the manager is. It can be Sir Alex Ferguson and people will still bitch.
To be frank it doesn't matter who the manager is. It can be Sir Alex Ferguson and people will still bitch.
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Bit of a wishy washy quote but I'd imagine the FA don't want to turn round and issue ultimatums on exactly how far we need to go to keep him in a job whilst the tournament is ongoing.
Quarter finals is the minimum I'd say.
Quarter finals is the minimum I'd say.
The problem is that on current evidence, any 'doing well' will be in spite of him not because of him. He needs to be gone this summer regardless.
Exactly, no point changing the manager until after the Olympics (too shorter time after the Euros to change anything significant), but would agree
At the moment, any success at the Euros is despite the manager not because of him
SAF would probably crucify the team anyway because its England (being a proud Scot and all)
I have mixed feelings on that - a lot of his strategies, etc. in isolation are sound the problem is his inflexibility and the change up at half time against Wales potentially hints that he might be starting to realise his shortcomings in that respect... though he still needs to get on his feet and look like he is (positively) involved in the game atleast once during a match lol.
With comments like if Henderson can play a certain role therefore Wilshere can, I sincerely hope you're lying about coaching kids. To compare 2 completely different styles of player like that and to come to that conclusion is as cringeworthy as your comment about Neville whispering in players ears.
I don't remember you saying you're unsure about Rooney and I'm not really sure of the relevance of it now?
You have picked a starting system with Dier, Wilshere and Rooney playing in roles they're not suited to and then proposed a tweak of the system where Wilshere and Rooney play in even more alien positions and Lallana ends up in central midfield :/
Slightly off topic, did you not once say you were a ref as well?
Yea i've done a ref course, years ago, don't consider myself a ref although i have reffed my fair share of games. Played at club level though until a bad knee injury 8 years ago. Have a read of this article. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36568360
Gary Neville giving instructions, i don't understand why you think coaches telling players instructions is so cringy, Wilshere also looking good.
About Hendo btw, i just think Wilshere is a better footballer and can do what you ask Hendo to do and more. They are similar players, youre making out like i'm comparing a goalkeeper with a striker. They may differ in attributes but essentially they are very similar players. can't believe i'm explaining this stuff tbh
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Sad thing is, just getting out of the group will be considered 'doing well', when really we should be aiming for QF minimum.
No chance getting out of the group stages and losing to some 3rd place team in the last 16 is "doing well" even to the FA.
Whilst QF is about par, but I don't think it is good enough for a fourth tournament., especially after the disaster in Brazil.
I don't find coaches giving instructions cringy but your response to questioning your tactics/set-up being "give Walker instructions" or Neville will whisper something in subs ears - what are these instructions? You've yet to explain how, when playing Wilshere and Rooney in the 2 wide positions of a diamond, can you protect your fullbacks.
I've not commented on, let alone argued whether Wilshere is a better footballer or not but they are completely different types of players - anybody that's seen either player can see that. Wilshere is a central ball playing midfielder - he's somebody that always wants to get on the ball and dictate the game. Henderson isn't. He's somebody that constantly looks to break forward and biggest attribute is his running power - he can get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes.
It was just an example though, of how you give individual instructions to players in game. I don't see how i'm meant to get inside the heads of the England coaches to give you the exact words that they'll use. Like i said, it was just an example. I've already mentioned Lallana could drop into the CM postion to create a 4-1-3 setup without the ball. Murphy's suggestion on that link with Sturridge on the same side as Rooney doesn't protect Rooney, Studge aint gonna get back into the RM position, Lallana could drop off into the LCM postion with Wilshere in the centre though, creating a flat 3 infront of Dier. It's not a million miles away from what i'm suggesting, is it.
Yea, i don't doubt that Wilshere and Henderson have different attributes, i'm not saying that, but i believe Wilshere can do what Hendo does, and more.
I'm not asking you to tell me word for word what a coach might say, I was asking for you to back up how your system would work because I cannot see how it possibly could. There are no instructions that will give Rooney or Wilshere the energy to run all day.
And not that I believed England's system worked 2nd half vs Wales but Sturridge playing from the right wing position made it barely possible (if not the best idea) for Rooney to play as your right central midfielder position because Rooney then didn't have to support attacks down the right, therefore was never in the position where he'd be in the right wing position, having to track back to the right back position. By having the right winger/forward it literally cuts Rooney's running in half. Without the right winger, the right central midfielder has to also support attacks down the right. There's a massive difference between a 4-3-3 and a 4-4-2 diamond.
And Wilshere cannot do what Henderson does. He quite simply does not have the running power of Henderson. This is not to say Henderson is a better player but as an athlete he takes some beating - he runs all day and more importantly, he can do it at a high tempo too. Exactly what you need when you're playing in a role that needs to cover 3 positions.