Poll: UEFA Euro 2020 Final Italy v England ** spoilers ** [Sunday 11th July 2021]

[LOLN1]

England played 6 home games (Wembley)
is this normal in your opinion?
I saw many videos, the whistles of the Italian anthem, the Italian flags trampled, the players did not shake hands after the fouls, during the award ceremony the English players and the staff left the stadium before the Italian award ceremony, the confetti was white and not tricolor (the English staff had only put the white ones because they were convinced that they would win).
You lost your fair play I'm sorry to say
However, rest assured that the trophy is in good hands

 

[RoboCod]

the last Man U game I went to was a European game against a Turkish side and the stand I was in the entire section chanted a racist term usually reserved for brits with Pakistani heritage at the turkish side. Was there with my 15 year old nephew and being Pakistani wasn’t a pleasant experience and can safely say will be the last match I will attend.

unfortunately it’s rife.

Sorry you had to endure that

 

[jonneymendoza]

This whole racism thing seems to have developed into a big blaming exercise, where everyone is just using it to have a pop at the government. Find it quite bizarre.

But it is party the governments fault!!

Boris said its fine to boo anti racism gesture of taking the knee..

That says it all!!!

 

[McBain]

Again, that's not what I said



I get it with opinions and all that, but Southgate got England to the final-by playing to his teams strengths

England's whole midfield had to play defence last night for large parts of that game, maybe I'm not making it clear.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/match/2024491--italy-vs-england/statistics/?iv=true

Can someone educate me on how you go about telling a team to go for it, we'll change shape/formation and commit guys when the other team is pushing you into your last third of the pitch so hard you are pegged back and can't get out into the other teams half as you kept turning over balls straight back to the Italians?

And Italy struggled all the way to the final?LOL

Never ever have the TV pundits remotely given Italy a fifth of the plaudits they have this year, so I'll take that bit as sour grapes as I'm still on cloud 9.

Our “whole midfield” consisted of 2 holding midfielders, of course they were in defensive mode that’s what they do, that’s their game. You can’t seem to grasp that we started with a setup that was always going to allow a team to control the game in midfield. If you don’t start that way the entire flow of the game could’ve been different.

Subs, tactics, formation changes change a flow of the game literally all the time. Hard to educate someone who doesn’t seem to understand the basics.

 

[fez]

Totally disagree with that twitter post.

If you really want to see how bad things are in this country there is a very easy way to test.

Just tell a joke involving Racism in a group of people and see how many laugh.

The result will be a big percentage of them which makes the 0.1% figure look like a fantasy.

Until we admit the figure in this country is far bigger than 0.1% we are not going to move forward.

That doesn't tell you anything because what someone considers a racist joke, another person considers a light jape at another countries expense. Every country has its own quirks, culture and oddities. The English have as many as any other. The world has gone mad and a certain subset has convinced themselves that anything negative directed towards people of a given colour, sexuality or race is some kind of 'ism. Its not.

I haven't heard anyone tell a racist joke in a long long time. I have heard people take the **** out of gay people, the french, black people etc. I have also heard gay people take the **** out of straight people, french people take the **** out of the english and black people rag on white people. None of it was mean spirited or nasty. People need to grow the hell up and realise that people have different senses of humour and you can take the **** without it coming from a nasty place.

Its a race to the bottom. Who can be the most offended for the most pathetic reason. Who can perform the best mental gymnastics to convince themselves that 1+1 = 3 and when Boris Johnson doesn't say that anyone who boos players taking the knee is a racist and should be shot he is encouraging racism.

 

[adam cool dude]

It seems to be that this racism thing is just being used to deflect away the fact we lost and the whole tactics in the final were just simply poor. Was listening to talk sport on the way to work and it was all they were talking about.

Racism is rife everywhere in football. Hungary crowds were doing monkey chants and no one even batted an eye lid. It happens day in day out during the league yet no one can be bothered.

The UK government could quite easily put a ban on social media till it's policed but they will not because everyone has their hands in the pie.

 

[omnomnom]

England played 6 home games (Wembley)
is this normal in your opinion?

Yes happens every tournament.

It seems to be that this racism thing is just being used to deflect away the fact we lost and the whole tactics in the final were just simply poor. Was listening to talk sport on the way to work and it was all they were talking about.

Racism is rife everywhere in football. Hungary crowds were doing monkey chants and no one even batted an eye lid. It happens day in day out during the league yet no one can be bothered.

The UK government could quite easily put a ban on social media till it's policed but they will not because everyone has their hands in the pie.

A ban on social media??? This isnt China or North Korea mate. No thanks

 

[robfosters]

But it is party the governments fault!!

Boris said its fine to boo anti racism gesture of taking the knee..

That says it all!!!

One minute people are complaining about the nanny state and being told what to do, the next they’re moaning because Boris didn’t tell people what to do.

Boris never said it’s fine too boo the knee. He said he would leave it up to the conscience of the supporters and people have a right to protest if they wish.

He did not say that this means you can abuse someone racially at your whim. He’s always maintained racism is an offence.

It’s about time we held the actual perpetrators 100% to account, rather than blaming it all on one man in an office.

if Labour got in tomorrow, do you think the situation would suddenly change? Of course it wouldn’t, but the Tories would be gone, so who do we blame then?

 

[adam cool dude]

Yes happens every tournament.



A ban on social media??? This isnt China or North Korea mate. No thanks

I personally think it would be a good thing but then again I do not really use them! I use Facebook for facetiming family and for groups because people have migrated away from forums.

 

[fez]

The UK government could quite easily put a ban on social media till it's policed but they will not because everyone has their hands in the pie.

Thats just the nature of social media. I have seen horrible comments from every race and political affiliation on Twitter but the only ones that are being highlighted are the racist ones directed towards black people. Twitter is unfortunately a cess pit where people go to write throwaway crap that takes them all of 30s to consider. Its not a racist place, its just a ****** place. Racism just comes under that umbrella.

 

[kinetic747]

This whole racism thing seems to have developed into a big blaming exercise, where everyone is just using it to have a pop at the government. Find it quite bizarre.

Add it to the list of things that the government are doing terribly.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Racism is rife everywhere in football. Hungary crowds were doing monkey chants and no one even batted an eye lid. It happens day in day out during the league yet no one can be bothered.

It always looks worse in this country as our national side and its supporter's likely have the biggest media coverage of any team. However, I don't think we should be comparing ourselves to Hungary as we're meant to be a bit more progressive and tolerant. If we use that subset of Hungarian fans to tarnish an entire nation it doesn't do anything to help the problem, does it?

The social media posts really should be investigated before people start taking them at face value. To jump straight to the conclusion it's mostly England fans abusing their own isn't fair when even Southgate has acknowledged most of it is usually from accounts outside of the country. The monkey and banana emoji's in particular are heavily used in some South American and Middle Eastern countries towards black people.

The whole thing is crap really, it's bad enough losing in the final but it's left a sour taste on the entire tournament for me. It's only a game at the end of the day and as much as I love football, it's depressing to see it being used to channel racism and hatred. I guess you just have to think, if football wasn't so popular, these same people would move on to the next biggest thing as their outlet.

 

[Johno please?]

But it is party the governments fault!!

Boris said its fine to boo anti racism gesture of taking the knee..

That says it all!!!

It's called freedom of expression, it all comes along with living in a supposedly free country, or would you rather people be arrested for being mean? I actually wonder how much of the twitter racism has origintated from outside the country, people seem to forget social media is a global platform and the euro final would have been watched by millions outside of the UK.

 

[Robbo]

I don't see how the racism thing will get sorted. The vast majority is coming from random accounts from all over the world, I'm sure there are some English people doing it, but from what I can see it's not a majority.

Short of Twitter (as one example) locking down their registration process - which would likely cripple the platform - it won't go away. Sad, but that's the reality of it.

 

[Shamikebab]

It's called freedom of expression, it all comes along with living in a supposedly free country, or would you rather people be arrested for being mean? I actually wonder how much of the twitter racism has origintated from outside the country, people seem to forget social media is a global platform and the euro final would have been watched by millions outside of the UK.

Freedom of expression (which isn't a thing in this country at all) is not freedom from consequence.

 

[McBain]

England played 6 home games (Wembley)
is this normal in your opinion?
I saw many videos, the whistles of the Italian anthem, the Italian flags trampled, the players did not shake hands after the fouls, during the award ceremony the English players and the staff left the stadium before the Italian award ceremony, the confetti was white and not tricolor (the English staff had only put the white ones because they were convinced that they would win).
You lost your fair play I'm sorry to say
However, rest assured that the trophy is in good hands

Yeah because the Italian side are well known for their high standards of fair play. Absolutely zero cheating, no cynical fouling, no rolling around on the ground feigning injury. Not known for that at all.

Enjoy the win but don't start pretending it was a victory for fair play.

 

[Johno please?]

Freedom of expression (which isn't a thing in this country at all) is not freedom from consequence.

*facepalm*

Yea, im well aware it isnt, shame really, most people are happy to be told what they can and cant say by the government.

I think like econonmics or the basics of handling your own income, freedom of speech should be something taught in schools, but then why would we, we dont have it xD

 

[omnomnom]

Freedom of expression (which isn't a thing in this country at all) is not freedom from consequence.

Look at the guys posting history will tell you all you need to know about this poster. Give up now.

 

[Basher]

*facepalm*

Yea, im well aware it isnt, shame really, most people are happy to be told what they can and cant say by the government.

I think like econonmics or the basics of handling your own income, freedom of speech should be something taught in schools, but then why would we, we dont have it xD

We most definitely DO have free speech in the UK! The fact we have free speech is the very reason we're having this discussion.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

England played 6 home games (Wembley)
is this normal in your opinion?
I saw many videos, the whistles of the Italian anthem, the Italian flags trampled, the players did not shake hands after the fouls, during the award ceremony the English players and the staff left the stadium before the Italian award ceremony, the confetti was white and not tricolor (the English staff had only put the white ones because they were convinced that they would win).
You lost your fair play I'm sorry to say
However, rest assured that the trophy is in good hands

England didn't decide the stadiums, UEFA did years ago. Are you actually blaming England for a decision completely out of the countries control? LOL
Players not shaking hands after fouls? WHAT who does that normally?
its pretty typical for the losing team to collect their medals and get out off the pitch
white confetti? you have ZERO evidence to back up your wild claim. and im pretty sure the stadium have nothing to do with closing ceremony as its all run by UEFA staff.

Its like you live in your own little reality bubble. Its nice to see you not mention the biggest foul of the whole game by Giorgio Chiellini with a move thats even banned in the NFL as its considered so dangerous. but muh lets talk about fair play from only one perspective.