UEFA Euro 2020 Round of 16 ** spoilers ** [26th - 29th June 2021]

McBain said:
Southgate gets stick because I can't recall a single game under him that's been good to watch. We're dire, dross and incredibly boring.
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Boring, I'll give you. Southgate does not set up, or train, his team to play an attractive game of football, but I don't agree we're dire. England have performed well under Southgate; the stats can tell you that. Are we the best side in Europe? Nope. But do you really think a different manager could change that. England have a lot of decent players, but Kane is the only really stand-out player on the world stage, and he is not playing well right now.

Edit: Having said that if we win it playing the worst football I can remember in 35 years of watching then hey, ill take it..... :p
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We could win because all the other teams inexplicable decided to field a side consisting only of players found at a the local weight watchers and then beat them only because one of them got confused and scored in the wrong goal after half time and I'd be happy :D
 
Mr Jack said:
Boring, I'll give you. Southgate does not set up, or train, his team to play an attractive game of football, but I don't agree we're dire. England have performed well under Southgate; the stats can tell you that. Are we the best side in Europe? Nope. But do you really think a different manager could change that. England have a lot of decent players, but Kane is the only really stand-out player on the world stage, and he is not playing well right now.



We could win because all the other teams inexplicable decided to field a side consisting only of players found at a the local weight watchers and then beat them only because one of them got confused and scored in the wrong goal after half time and I'd be happy :D
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When I say dire, dross and boring I’m entirely referring to the style of football. Results have been good outside of main competitions but when it comes down to the crunch we’ve failed when it really matters. Supporters of Southgate will say “semi final” but that’s still being a loser, with the easiest group and run we could’ve wished for we got done by the first real competition we faced and scraped by a very average Columbia.

I do genuinely think a different manager could change that, who is the harder question. We don’t have any English managers that really fit the bill as far as success goes and does a foreign manager want to take it? You can’t tell me that Klopp wouldn’t get this team/squad playing better stuff.

Not that it really matters Southgate is here to stay whether we/I like it or not. The FA clearly want this style of football, just look at who they wanted before Southgate!!
 
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@McBain we scraped by against Columbia and lost to Croatia because Kane went missing and Southgate kept playing him instead of the very on form Vardy. Again it comes back to the manager more than the players IMO, Kane excepted who, as previous posts, always seems to go AWOL when it comes to the crunch. This tournament he hasn't even got going to begin with. He's not all there. And on the bench we have? DCL. :rolleyes:
 
ik9000 said:
@McBain we scraped by against Columbia and lost to Croatia because Kane went missing and Southgate kept playing him instead of the very on form Vardy. Again it comes back to the manager more than the players IMO, Kane excepted who, as previous posts, always seems to go AWOL when it comes to the crunch. This tournament he hasn't even got going to begin with. He's not all there. And on the bench we have? DCL. :rolleyes:
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Something tells me you aren’t Kane’s biggest fan :p
 
McBain said:
Something tells me you aren’t Kane’s biggest fan :p
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Overrated. He's not a bad player, but to be world class you actually need to achieve something. What's he achieved that merits that accolade? Nothing. Worse than that he disappears when it matters. That is not world class IMO.
 
ik9000 said:
Overrated. He's not a bad player, but to be world class you actually need to achieve something. What's he achieved that merits that accolade? Nothing. Worse than that he disappears when it matters. That is not world class IMO.
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He's scored against far better teams in the Premier League and Champions League, also doesn't go missing for half the season like Vardy has done for the last two seasons which has cost Leicester CL football twice in a row.
 
ik9000 said:
Overrated. He's not a bad player, but to be world class you actually need to achieve something. What's he achieved that merits that accolade? Nothing. Worse than that he disappears when it matters. That is not world class IMO.
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Have to say I disagree and that will be rectified when he's banging 40 goals in next season for City. ;)
 
He's going for a penalty shootout, hold them to 0-0 for 2 hours and then let someone new be the 'missed a penalty against Germany' guy.
 
fez said:
There was nothing wrong with it really. Thats the nature of penalties. I have had this argument a number of times with people on here. Just because your penalty goes in doesn't mean it was objectively a good penalty. A good penalty gives the keeper the lowest chance of saving it. Hitting it down the middle is not a good penalty regardless of whether the keeper dives out of the way expecting (guessing) that it will go to the side.

So much of penalties is luck as to where the keeper goes vs where the ball goes. Your only job as a striker is to make the keepers chance of saving your penalty as small as possible. If he guesses the right way and goes at the right time, there are not that many penalties that will go in. The better the penalty the earlier and more decisive the keeper will have to be to have a chance of saving it.

Basically it was a cracking save and not a bad penalty. The penalty save from Lloris earlier in the match was also pretty good.
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Interestingly on Chris evans radio show this morning they had a guy on who has studied penalties and written a book on it. His conclusion was it was anything but luck. Skill was a given, his research concluded it was about physiology and nerves and if you controlled them then you have given yourself the best chance.

McBain said:
We should be going out there with the mindset that we can win the game, not 'not lose' - if we go out there and play I'll be happy.

If we do that I think we win.
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I met a guy years ago when travelling who spoke about this, England in general set out not to lose which works well in qualifying groups and group stages. The downside to that is when it comes to knockout games we are trained to not lose so inevitably more often than not it ends up going to extra time …
Robbo said:
We have a very strong squad with some of the best players in the world, who regularly play at the very highest level.

We have a manager who has never really achieved anything as a manager, and watching England in any sort of competitive game is more often than not quite tragic.

Pointing these things out isn't being negative, it's just reality.

That being said I hope we do well later, I'd love to be wrong.
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I don’t disagree but we’ve had winning mangers and they have not done any better with arguably far better squads.
 
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