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If England cheated for a penalty, Denmark cheated for a free kick.
UEFA Euro 2020 Semi Finals ** spoilers ** [6th - 7th July 2021]
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Its not the same thing. Stand still and get someone to try and push you over or knock you off balance and see how hard it is. Now run full pace and try and try to dodge some moving objects and see how easy it is to be knocked off balance or generally be impeded.
I used to get knocked off the ball all the time when I was playing hockey because refs let them get away with it. I would beat 2 guys but each one would knock me off balance and by the time you get to the third one you barely have control of the ball and he cleans up with ease. As someone said above, you get no reward for staying on your feet so we can't be surprised when players go down easily. This isn't sunday league where big 20 stone lumps kick the crap out of each other and a bodycheck is a legitimate defensive move. They are sprinting in tight spaces where any contact can knock you off balance and lose you control.
I'm not a fan of diving but until refs reward players for staying on their feet it will continue. What I really hate is pretending you are horribly injured when you go down.
Good point.
then look at this angle too - contact from both, first bit to the side of his leg from a knee at 2 seconds in.
And this guy's uploaded two photos:
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photos taken from: https://twitter.com/SpirittMX/status/1412908789083381760
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Exactly
Quite clear contact from both players. He basically gets Squashed. I would like to see anyone else here stay upright, running at that speed with those two bits of contact.
It's a clear penalty, and the VAR angle they showed later in the match quite clearly shows this. To say otherwise is just rejecting the reality of what the footage shows.
Personally the furore around this is a bit weird. I've seen far softer penalties given without as much fuss. The Denmark players knocked sterling over without playing the ball, in the penalty area. It was a penalty.
All of that goes out the window as we're the most hated team in the world apparently. If Sterling had gone through and scored instead, the discussion would move to the 2nd ball on the pitch.
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Plus we should have had a penalty anyway when they brought Kane down in the box. Swings and roundabouts, you make your own luck. Nice for England to get some luck for a change.
I thought it was an interesting game.
Usually physicality is a big part of how England play and that was hindered by the fact Denmark are a very tall side.
They were very organised for most of the game and England struggled to play through them as expected. That being said England still seemed to create the majority of the chances even when Denmark were playing well. Pickford looked like he lost his nerve for a while and I’m praying that’s just a blip in his otherwise brilliant composure this tournament. The free kick was a worldy and we did well to come back so quickly from going behind. It was nice to see that England didn’t completely lose themselves after conceding.
After about an hour the Danes looked leggy and we were pinning them back in their own half. Before the full time whistle blew we were peppering their goal and it looked like only a matter of time. This was true even in extra time right up until the penalty was given.
About the penalty…. It was soft. At full speed it looks like Sterling legitimately went down because two players twice his size got in his way. The angle shown to us in the game is the biggest cause of controversy… it makes it look as if there was no contact at all. There was.
Sterling might have been able to stay on his feet and whether you agree with it or not, this is part of the game. Going down if you feel contact in the box. It’s something the opposition would try to do to us if they had the chance and anyone who says differently is naive.
I do think it was soft and I’m surprised it was given. That being said, it’s a shame so many people let it shadow a dominant England performance. Before the penalty it looked like we deserved a goal and it would have been a real shame for it to go to penalties.
I feel like we deserved to win, there were a few questionable moments. This includes instances where I do think we should have been awarded a penalty and cards should have been shown. Very strange decisions from the referee throughout.
We are in a final and we deserve to be there. It’s a shame so many people are going to disagree.
Usually physicality is a big part of how England play and that was hindered by the fact Denmark are a very tall side.
They were very organised for most of the game and England struggled to play through them as expected. That being said England still seemed to create the majority of the chances even when Denmark were playing well. Pickford looked like he lost his nerve for a while and I’m praying that’s just a blip in his otherwise brilliant composure this tournament. The free kick was a worldy and we did well to come back so quickly from going behind. It was nice to see that England didn’t completely lose themselves after conceding.
After about an hour the Danes looked leggy and we were pinning them back in their own half. Before the full time whistle blew we were peppering their goal and it looked like only a matter of time. This was true even in extra time right up until the penalty was given.
About the penalty…. It was soft. At full speed it looks like Sterling legitimately went down because two players twice his size got in his way. The angle shown to us in the game is the biggest cause of controversy… it makes it look as if there was no contact at all. There was.
Sterling might have been able to stay on his feet and whether you agree with it or not, this is part of the game. Going down if you feel contact in the box. It’s something the opposition would try to do to us if they had the chance and anyone who says differently is naive.
I do think it was soft and I’m surprised it was given. That being said, it’s a shame so many people let it shadow a dominant England performance. Before the penalty it looked like we deserved a goal and it would have been a real shame for it to go to penalties.
I feel like we deserved to win, there were a few questionable moments. This includes instances where I do think we should have been awarded a penalty and cards should have been shown. Very strange decisions from the referee throughout.
We are in a final and we deserve to be there. It’s a shame so many people are going to disagree.
The main problem is the footage they initially showed as from that angle you couldn't really tell if there was contact. Even i was skeptical at first. However the later VAR angle (the one that the VAR decision makers presumably used) quite obviously shows contact, so that's why the decision was upheld.
There were far more spurious decisions by the ref. Maguire's yellow or the immunity he gave Poulsen for repeated cynical fouls.
I think the Danes completely wore themselves out from their persistent pressing. For the first two thirds of the game they were very successful at getting at our players and forcing us back to Pickford all the time . Unfortunately for them, I think that took almost all their stamina so they had almost nothing left for extra time.
I think their substitutes hindered their performance too. They were fresh but lacked the quality of the starting 11 which meant England could control the game more.
I think Southgate was spot on with the subs. Only thing I questioned was bringing on Grealish for Saka. Saka was playing brilliantly and for me, Grealish’s ability to win free kicks wasn’t as valuable against such a tall opposition. I didn’t ever feel like we’d get anything from aerial attack.
The Denmark FK was much, much more obvious a foul than the pen.
I think a few on here won't even be able to watch the final, they are only interested in a win and watching England play is torture for them unless we go a few goals up early on. The fact people think we should be able to cruise through games at this level (regardless of the squad) shows how little football they watch. The Danish are well drilled and their press is very effective but they ran out of steam in the second half, the Damsgaard sub was the nail in the coffin for them.
There are sides better than ours who've won tournaments over the years without looking that convincing. The occasion got the better of some of the lads early in the game last night but we pretty much controlled it after that.
I agree with this. Denmark are a massively underrated side, they had everything it takes to go the distance. They were really difficult to beat and this also might cause some arguments but I genuinely believe we are more suited to play against Italy than Denmark.
Don’t get me wrong, Italy are going to be tough to beat if we even manage to beat them. I just think we will be able to play our style of football better against them. They won’t press as well as the Danes and are not as much of a physical presence. Their dangers come from fast build up and precision which is a whole new challenge, especially for our defence.
Gonna be a great game on Sunday!
Good point. Maybe it's the slow mo replays that do it, but people seem very prone to over-estimating how easy it is to stay on your feet in these situations. I've never been remotely good at football, but I used to play with a bunch of guys from work every week and more than once I've been caught by a stray foot when running at full tilt. I'm sure a professional has better balance than me, but when you're already stretched it's doesn't take a lot of contact to knock you off your feet.
fair point, but as someone points out below, not exactly equivalent. But was it a soft free kick award? Heck yes. Cracking goal though. Possibly goal of the tournie so far.
the best team did win, but the ends doesn't justify the means, if we were so much better why couldn't we score from our dominance?
Sadly yes, it would seem so.
Well said, agree with all of that tbh. I'm happy we're in the final but not thrilled it took such a dubious call to make it happen. Southgate shuold have kept up the attack. It broke Ukraine when we did that, they had no answer. The Danes were looking the same. Instead we invite them to attack, that will not work against Italy for very long I don't think.
I always hate people diving. I find it much more interesting when they stay on their feet, and sometimes interesting goals come as a result.
I'd agree with most of that. Subbing Grealish off was the most bizarre call. Every time we ran forward they were in disarray. We showed against Ukraine how the late pressure and constant attack brings results, I really don't know why he gambled on defending deep. It paid off, but inspite of the tactic not because of it. Problem is he'll now feel justified to try it in the final and against Italy? Well I don't think his luck will hold twice.
He pretty much admitted it in the post match interview too. "I felt contact so...[i went down]" Is that really what the modern game wants to be? With VAR they should be doing post-match hammering of all the play acting and soft "going down" (not that kind). It would soon stop it. It would then get to a point where it's easier to believe the genuine cases as people would not voluntarily want to be getting the inquiry and fines that follow if it doesn't go their way.
I think the Danish free kick was incredibly soft too, but I wouldn't say they cheated. There was some holding and pushing on both sides and it didn't merit awarding a 2nd free kick IMO.
Brace yourself for the Italian Dramatic Society then!
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I think it was a penelty.
The defender put his leg out and Sterling went down.
I think the camera angle that most of the papers are showing isnt the best though as we're looking behind the defender. There is another camera angle looking from the other side of the field that better shows it.
The defender put his leg out and Sterling went down.
I think the camera angle that most of the papers are showing isnt the best though as we're looking behind the defender. There is another camera angle looking from the other side of the field that better shows it.
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Agree with all of that .... how deep Shaw and Walker play on sunday will play a big part, they give us so many options. Mancini's boys haven't been beaten in almost 3 years!! All these runs come to an end
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UEFA have charged England on 3 counts.
The timing of it
Booing the National Anthem
Laser pen
Fireworks
First one is a joke, as how come no other country has been charged before.
The timing of it
Booing the National Anthem
Laser pen
Fireworks
First one is a joke, as how come no other country has been charged before.
The booing is a disgrace, and a charge is quite warranted. Also the laser pen.UEFA have charged England on 3 counts.
The timing of it
Booing the National Anthem
Laser pen
Fireworks
First one is a joke, as how come no other country has been charged before.
Don't care if anyone else does it - it's a disgrace.
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