UEFA Euro 2024 Group C ** spoilers ** (Slovenia, Denmark, Serbia, ENGLAND)

[marc2003]

Man Utd need to show some patriotism and appoint Southgate as their new manager.

Not good enough. You want the only ex England manager with a 100% win record.

 

[Joxeon]

These are professional players - that are good enough to cope with playing slightly out of position.

If the manager has a strategy - and he tells a player such as Foden that he wants him to stay out wide a bit more, and to cut in a bit less - I believe Foden is good enough to be able to play in that way... as is the rest of the squad.

I have a feeling that the England managerial problem is that our managers are not prepared to tell their star players "you are not doing what I asked. If you don't do it, you won't play".
This is the Southgate problem, the Erickson problem with Lamps/Gerard.

Instead of having strong leadership from the manager, and the captain - England seem to have this idea of having a "group of players" as leaders.


This me mentality needs to change. Players need to be told what's expected of them.
It's still perfectly fine to deviate from that plan occasionally on pitch - that's how you outwit the opposition.

Let’s face it if players weren’t doing what Klopp or Pep wanted they’d be going absolutely ballistic on the touchline yet every time it pans to Southgate he’s just standing there with a puzzled expression looking lost.

 

[rypt]

Let’s face it if players weren’t doing what Klopp or Pep wanted they’d be going absolutely ballistic on the touchline yet every time it pans to Southgate he’s just standing there with a puzzled expression looking lost.

Exactly - which either makes he think he's to soft, or that the team is doing as per his plan.

Both are not good

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Exactly - which either makes he think he's to soft, or that the team is doing as per his plan.

Both are not good

Or he’s more calm and measured with his approach. Nothing wrong with either approach both can work.

 

[Stu999]

 

[Mint8]

Another day and another Soutgate excuse. The players arent in a good enough condition to carry out his strategy apparently.

At least he isnt going to survive this tournament - but presumably the FA have already lined up someone suitably beige enough to take over such as Potter.

 

[rypt]

Another day and another Soutgate excuse. The players arent in a good enough condition to carry out his strategy apparently.

At least he isnt going to survive this tournament - but presumably the FA have already lined up someone suitably beige enough to take over such as Potter.

Indeed. Excuses have already started...

Why are all the other teams/players fit enough then, but we aren't?

England players not fit enough to press effectively, claims Gareth Southgate

Gareth Southgate has claimed England players are not at the fitness levels required to carry out his Euro 2024 game plan

www.theguardian.com

 

[Converge]

Exactly, German players have played the most minutes of any nationality, I think I read. Don’t see any performance issues there. Southgate is a joke.

 

[rypt]

Exactly, German players have played the most minutes of any nationality, I think I read. Don’t see any performance issues there. Southgate is a joke.

and Kane plays in Germany - but he's apparently not fit enough to press effectively.

 

[adidan]

Indeed. Excuses have already started...

Why are all the other teams/players fit enough then, but we aren't?

England players not fit enough to press effectively, claims Gareth Southgate

Gareth Southgate has claimed England players are not at the fitness levels required to carry out his Euro 2024 game plan

www.theguardian.com

We are trying to do something that has never been done before [win the Euros]

What? First off we're trying to get to the final, we've done that before.

Tired my backside, they're professional athletes, other teams haven't been sat around on sunloungers for three months just waiting for the Euros.

He should go into politics.

 

[rypt]

What? First off we're trying to get to the final, we've done that before.

Tired my backside, they're professional athletes, other teams haven't been sat around on sunloungers for three months just waiting for the Euros.

He should go into politics.

BBC has even done a breakdown

Are England too tired to press? Here's the key stats

BBC Sport looks at the data on how tired England's players might be and their lack of pressing at Euro 2024.

www.bbc.co.uk

Edit:

This is definitely quote worthy

England captain Kane admitted after the game that the team were "not sure how to get the pressure on and who’s supposed to be [pressing]".

 

[adidan]

BBC has even done a breakdown

Are England too tired to press? Here's the key stats

BBC Sport looks at the data on how tired England's players might be and their lack of pressing at Euro 2024.

www.bbc.co.uk

Interesting comment from Kane

England captain Kane admitted after the game that the team were "not sure how to get the pressure on and who’s supposed to be [pressing]".

That indicates nothing to do with energy and everything to do with the manager not clarifying the tactics.

 

[rypt]

Interesting comment from Kane

That indicates nothing to do with energy and everything to do with the manager not clarifying the tactics.

Agreed.

You posted that at the same time as I edited my post above to add that quote.

 

[Mint8]

Its unbeleiveable that seemingly we have turned up at a major tournament with - a team that doesnt understand what they are supposed to be doing, various players out of position, "experimenting" with a player in a pivotal position and at least 1 player in the squad - again in a key position, who has zero chance of being match fit.

 

[C Kent]

So apparently we need to have saka on the left to give us width....amazing

 

[Vandle]

Its unbeleiveable that seemingly we have turned up at a major tournament with - a team that doesnt understand what they are supposed to be doing, various players out of position, "experimenting" with a player in a pivotal position and at least 1 player in the squad - again in a key position, who has zero chance of being match fit.

And a midfield of world superstars that were outplayed by a bloke who basically died in the last tournament.

 

[LeMson]

I liked the change to Watkins, Gallagher looked a liability, didn't add anything to the game, foden only turned up for one dribble

 

[ristac]

Southgate is the problem, his record was poor before he took the job. He has been blessed with some of the best players in Europe and he still plays players out of position and plays a tactic which is simply not good enough.

He is just a polite, yes FA man who the FA see as safe

 

[cheesefest]

Apparently Southgate’s nickname when he was at Crystal Palace was Nord as he spoke in a soft direct manner like Dennis Norden.

Think we should revive this nickname as he makes most of us Nord off when England play

 

[spudbynight]

Apparently Southgate’s nickname when he was at Crystal Palace was Nord as he spoke in a soft direct manner like Dennis Norden.

Think we should revive this nickname as he makes most of us Nord off when England play

On that note, the book "Woody and Nord" is well worth a read. It is about the contrasting fortunes of Gareth Southgate and Andy Woodman who are best mates and started in the same Palace youth team.