Uefa retract Eduardo ban

[Weebull]

It is embarrassing to hear Arsenal fans queuing up to make excuses.

How many times do Arsenal fans have to say they think Eduardo dived too? Because as far as I can see, nearly everyone other than djmc0 in this thread has said so. Just because you can't understand that our complaint is with UEFA's consistency, not the actual incident, doesn't mean we deserved to "come out of this badly."

Typical Old Firm fan, obstinately blind to any viewpoint that isn't your own.

 

[Nor]

How many times do Arsenal fans have to say they think Eduardo dived too? Because as far as I can see, nearly everyone other than djmc0 in this thread has said so. Just because you can't understand that our complaint is with UEFA's consistency, not the actual incident, doesn't mean we deserved to "come out of this badly."

Typical Old Firm fan, obstinately blind to any viewpoint that isn't your own.

I'm not an 'Old Firm fan'.

 

[Weebull]

My apologies then, got the impression you were a Rangers fan from somewhere.

You're still pointlessly blaming Arsenal fans for something we're not doing though.

 

[Nor]

My apologies then, got the impression you were a Rangers fan from somewhere.

You're still pointlessly blaming Arsenal fans for something we're not doing though.

I'm a Celtic fan. I'm not blaming all Arsenal fans, just the ones who are making excuses for Eduardo, and the ones who think it's unfair to punish him. I do think Arsenal have come out of this badly, and that reflects on the fans of the club, rightly or wrongly.

For the most part though, it's just a bad day for football fans, and a good day for the cheats in the game. The problem with getting rid of cheating in the game is that too many folk are prepared to accept it and make excuses for it when it benefits their team.

Incidentally, in Celtic's match following the Arsenal one Aiden McGeady went down without contact and was sent off for it. Quite rightly, and fair play to the ref for spotting it.

 

[Weebull]

Shameful for Eduardo to dive like that,

Got to agree with this. The dive's got a very disproportionate amount of attention.

Finally they have found the replay button, pretty blatantly no contact whatsoever.

It was a dive,

Absolutely disgusted at Eduardo behaving the way he did.

He did commit to the challenge though, Boruc pulled away and then Eduardo dived.

It was a dive.

It was a dive.

As for the performance, Eduardo looked a little out of sorts with his finishing. He should get a retrospective one match ban for the dive IMO.

All Arsenal fans, all agreeing it was a dive. On the other hand, I can only find two people (djmc0 and jakeke) who don't think it was a clear cut dive, and a handful of people who haven't definitely commented either way (Big Kev, Spawn), but will probably freely admit it was a dive if you asked them.

So yeah, we're all biased blind Gooners right? God damn my Arsenal-tinted specs!

I'm a Celtic fan.

So you ARE an Old Firm fan?

 

[Gooner14]

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Incidentally, in Celtic's match following the Arsenal one Aiden McGeady went down without contact and was sent off for it. Quite rightly, and fair play to the ref for spotting it.

He was given a yellow card, not a red. It was just his second yellow.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

So yeah, we're all biased blind Gooners right? God damn my Arsenal-tinted specs!

Hope they aren't the same ones that Wenger was wearing a few years back, those huge round things, horrific!

 

[jrodga2k5]

Lets be hoenst here....he took a dive....

The Ref thought he was tackled by the keeper and gave the penalty.

If he had been caught, no pen, no goal and a yellow card.

You can say all you want about Arsenal would have won the game anyways etc etc but you dont really know that for sure do you? Celtic had done very well up until that point and to go in at half time 0-0 would have given them a platform to build from.

Mikalounis was given a retrospective ban for his dive in which similar circumstances happened where Lithuania Won a Pen, and scored.

I think to totally discount the ban is the wrong decision here as they are essentially now saying he didn't dive.....confused indeed. I think if anything the appeal should have brought it down to 1 match if at all.

And for the record I am a Rangers fan, it's not bitterness because I couldnt care less about Celtic but it's an unbiased observation

There was a similar dive in the SPL this weekend involving a St Mirren player and hopefully that will be looked at by our own governing body as at least in the SPL they are doing their best to stamp it out.

 

[Nor]

So yeah, we're all biased blind Gooners right? God damn my Arsenal-tinted specs!

I never said you're all biased Gooners. Don't think you are. I said Arsenal, Arsene Wenger, Eduardo, Uefa and Arsenal fans have come out of this badly.

So you ARE an Old Firm fan?

No, I'm a Celtic fan. What's an Old Firm fan, someone who supports both Celtic and Rangers?

He was given a yellow card, not a red. It was just his second yellow.

Aye, it was his second yellow and was sent off for the dive. Quite rightly.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

No, I'm a Celtic fan. What's an Old Firm fan, someone who supports both Celtic and Rangers?

Pretty sure it means supporting either one of the teams. It's called the Old Firm Derby when they play right? Not 100% though because I don't follow Scottish football much.

Ahh yep just found it on Wiki. So they are both the "Old Firm" teams.

Together with their Glasgow rivals, Rangers, they form the Old Firm, one of the most famous and fierce rivalries in sport.

 

[Gooner14]

Aye, it was his second yellow and was sent off for the dive. Quite rightly.

Which is the same punishment Eduardo should have been given, a yellow card.

 

[Weebull]

I never said you're all biased Gooners. Don't think you are. I said Arsenal, Arsene Wenger, Eduardo, Uefa and Arsenal fans have come out of this badly.

I really don't understand how the fans have come out of this badly though. We nearly all agree it was a dive, and for the umpteenth time, our issue is with UEFA being consistent with their rules, and not singling out one player inexplicably.

Even Arsenal themselves have said as much too. The club's statement after the retraction states they'd agree with "clear and comprehensive standards that will be consistently enforced going forward." Which this situation wasn't.

Wenger was being Wenger. He never criticises one of his team in public, and I'm not really sure why you'd think any worse of him over this incident, considering he's done it time after time in the past. Hell, it's one of the biggest running jokes in football that Arsene never sees anything, isn't it?

This is UEFA's fault here, and theirs alone. They banned Eduardo on what seems to be a whim, with a ruling that's actually against their stated guidelines for punishments (diving = yellow card), and utterly unrepresentative of any intended action against other divers (no-one else will get punished in the same way). When challenged, they realised their utterly stupid position, got cold feet, and pretended that they were unable to prove the dive in order to weasel out of their actions. Any ire should be with them.

No, I'm a Celtic fan. What's an Old Firm fan, someone who supports both Celtic and Rangers?

No, it's someone who supports one of the Old Firm teams. Same as a "big 4" fan in England would refer to someone who supports one of the top four teams over here. Sorry, I thought it was a familiar term.

 

[jakeke]

Eduardo went down too easily and it wasn't a penalty but I always said there was contact, glad it's been proven.

Not sure if he deserved a ban, but if he DID get banned I would have expected Ronaldo/Drogba etc to be out for the season after reviewing their tapes of recent seasons.

 

[Yas786]

Spawn), but will probably freely admit it was a dive if you asked them.

So yeah, we're all biased blind Gooners right? God damn my Arsenal-tinted specs!

For me it was a dive as much as it pains me to say so...but its definitely a dive simple as that...i dont agree with what he done and its kinda tainted my opinion on him.

Honestly if anything the ref is the one who cocked it up...he should have given Eduardo a yellow and nothing else...it wasnt a penalty as far as im concerned...if the idiot had done his job properly then it would have never got to this stage with UEFA making themselves look like complete utter ****.

 

[Nor]

I really don't understand how the fans have come out of this badly though. We nearly all agree it was a dive, and for the umpteenth time, our issue is with UEFA being consistent with their rules, and not singling out one player inexplicably.

Even Arsenal themselves have said as much too. The club's statement after the retraction states they'd agree with "clear and comprehensive standards that will be consistently enforced going forward." Which this situation wasn't.

Wenger was being Wenger. He never criticises one of his team in public, and I'm not really sure why you'd think any worse of him over this incident, considering he's done it time after time in the past. Hell, it's one of the biggest running jokes in football that Arsene never sees anything, isn't it?

This is UEFA's fault here, and theirs alone. They banned Eduardo on what seems to be a whim, with a ruling that's actually against their stated guidelines for punishments (diving = yellow card), and utterly unrepresentative of any intended action against other divers (no-one else will get punished in the same way). When challenged, they realised their utterly stupid position, got cold feet, and pretended that they were unable to prove the dive in o

To explain my view. I think Arsenal have come out of it badly because of their defence of Eduardo. I think Wenger has come out of it badly because he has argued against divers in the past, and as soon as it's someone at his club, he's changed his tune. I think Eduardo has come out of it badly because of what he did (oh and the "thankfully we've finally arrived at the truth" stuff). I think Uefa have come out of it badly because they bottled the decision to clean up the game. I think Arsenal fans have come out of it badly because 1. many have argued that there was contact, 2. many have argued that the punishment of Eduardo was unfair, and 3. (fairly or unfairly) the fans are associated with the stance of the club itself - that Eduardo was fouled and the penalty was correct.

I am not saying all Arsenal fans defended Eduardo. I am not saying all Arsenal fans said it wasn't a dive.

For the Arsenal fans here. Do you agree with the stance of your club on the incident?

No, it's someone who supports one of the Old Firm teams. Same as a "big 4" fan in England would refer to someone who supports one of the top four teams over here. Sorry, I thought it was a familiar term.

For me it kinda sounds like an interviewer with an American accent asking "What's it like being a London Derby fan"

Which is the same punishment Eduardo should have been given, a yellow card.

Definiately, if it was caught at the time.

 

[Loki]

This whole issue of diving and simulation has been poorly managed by UEFA for a number of years now so I don't understand why anyone is suprised they have made a town halls of this decision. Effectively they have charged him for diving and are now saying that it wasn't a dive :s

I completely agree with Arsenal fans in that, why use them as an example and why now ??? So I do have some sympathy there. But to suggest it was the right decision in the end or that justice has prevailed is wrong shows a lot of direspect for the game. He tried to cheat and he dived end of story.

The punishment for diving should be classed as a professional foul in my book as they are both an ends to a different means. How is it different to deliberately bring down a player in a goal scoring position to a player deliberately diving to gain an advantage.

What UEFA Should have done is come out at the end of the season and use Eduardo as an example of what constitutes a dive in the box and give very clear guidance on what the punishment is be it 2-3 games or more.

While the stakes are so high in football, divers are never going to be detered. The punishment for diving does not match the potential gains. It is going to take a high profile player such as Eduardo, Rooney, Ronaldo, Drogba, Gerrard etc etc etc missing a game or two for going down to make football realise that diving will not be tolerated.

 

[timaloy]

Uefa don't want to upset the "big four", simple as that.

correct

 

[jakeke]

To explain my view. I think Arsenal have come out of it badly because of their defence of Eduardo. I think Wenger has come out of it badly because he has argued against divers in the past, and as soon as it's someone at his club, he's changed his tune.

But which top manager in the whole world condemns their player in public? What's the point? It's obviously a private matter. If I were in Wenger's shoes I'd do the same thing, defend my team in public, every time. If something needs to be said the only place to do it is in private :/

 

[McRod]

No, it's someone who supports one of the Old Firm teams. Same as a "big 4" fan in England would refer to someone who supports one of the top four teams over here. Sorry, I thought it was a familiar term.

Why the need to categorise?

Are the "old firm" fans and/or "Big4" fans in some way different to other fans?

 

[McRod]

I really need to exit this thread, as I am the only one that *still* doesn't think it was a dive. *exits thread*

Not true.

Nice to meet you.