UK Government set to ban disposable vapes
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Soldato
To my mind this is much more justifiable than the plastic straws ban, your drink at the fast food place still comes with a plastic lid containing at least as much plastic as the straw did, but now the straw is paper and go soggy after a while, so you end up getting a second one as a spare just in case, and have you ever tried to stab a hole in a capri-sun drink with a paper straw, I struggle enough when my nephews hand me it and ask me to sort it for them, not sure how they are meant to be abale to do it, and again, straw goes soggy if they don't finish it striaght away.
On other other hand, disposable vapes usually contain a *recharagable* lithium cell in a product where it is used just once, and discarded with a significant amount of charge remaining (use of a standard component to minimise costs, etc), the issues are two fold, not only do rare earth metals get thrown away and often end up just going to landfills, but they can often cause fires in the rubbish. Where I am in lincolnshire, we have an EFW (energy from waste) plant to avoid sending so much straight to landfill (The rubbish is incinerated and the energy used for power generation, unfortunatly when it was built even though there was the idea of a district heating system floated - there wasn't interest in pushing that aspect forward - but I digress). Anyway, instead of local landfills around the place that the individual dustbin lorries would go to, it all has to come to the one plant, now lincolnshire is big county area wise - So the dust carts take the rubbish to "waste transfer stations" (basically big metal sheds) where it is stacked up and loaded into tipper lorries for transport to the efw plant. Fires in these places have become common enough that the county council is investing in automated suppression systems that monitor the area with thermal cameras (probably with some AI imagae processing...) and if an issue is detected, activates a directional jet of water aimed at the relevant area to suppress it enough until the fire service can get there. You might think that if its a metal shed filled with rubbish than a fire is not a problem, but you've got thinks like the JCB loading shovels, highbay lighting so the workers can see what they are doing, odour suppresion, etc that is all at risk of being damaged by a fire, in addition to the structure itself if it gets bad enough. Rubbish can sometimes exhibit self heating effects caused by decay etc, which can start fires on its own, but when you have crushed batteries from vapes etc, it becomes much more of a likely event. I did note that the household waste sites where you can take rubbihs to get rid of now have a dedicated bin just for disposable vapes, which is a good move forward - but how many people know it exists? and/or can be bothered to take them there
On other other hand, disposable vapes usually contain a *recharagable* lithium cell in a product where it is used just once, and discarded with a significant amount of charge remaining (use of a standard component to minimise costs, etc), the issues are two fold, not only do rare earth metals get thrown away and often end up just going to landfills, but they can often cause fires in the rubbish. Where I am in lincolnshire, we have an EFW (energy from waste) plant to avoid sending so much straight to landfill (The rubbish is incinerated and the energy used for power generation, unfortunatly when it was built even though there was the idea of a district heating system floated - there wasn't interest in pushing that aspect forward - but I digress). Anyway, instead of local landfills around the place that the individual dustbin lorries would go to, it all has to come to the one plant, now lincolnshire is big county area wise - So the dust carts take the rubbish to "waste transfer stations" (basically big metal sheds) where it is stacked up and loaded into tipper lorries for transport to the efw plant. Fires in these places have become common enough that the county council is investing in automated suppression systems that monitor the area with thermal cameras (probably with some AI imagae processing...) and if an issue is detected, activates a directional jet of water aimed at the relevant area to suppress it enough until the fire service can get there. You might think that if its a metal shed filled with rubbish than a fire is not a problem, but you've got thinks like the JCB loading shovels, highbay lighting so the workers can see what they are doing, odour suppresion, etc that is all at risk of being damaged by a fire, in addition to the structure itself if it gets bad enough. Rubbish can sometimes exhibit self heating effects caused by decay etc, which can start fires on its own, but when you have crushed batteries from vapes etc, it becomes much more of a likely event. I did note that the household waste sites where you can take rubbihs to get rid of now have a dedicated bin just for disposable vapes, which is a good move forward - but how many people know it exists? and/or can be bothered to take them there
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Were you being chased by a giant cigarette?
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you are buying a legal product and disposing of as responsibly as you can.
No of course you are not a terrible person (or at least not for that
). but that does not mean they should not be pulled from sale, and force people to use more sustainable drugs for their hit .
Soldato
Lol I gave up smoking by using patches and remember the vivid dreams. That's the thing about real smoking, you don't do it in your sleep
I stuck with the 24 hour patches though and they worked for me, I haven't smoked for over 16 years.
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Apparently, the manufacturers are already planning on getting round this by sticking barely functional USB charging ports on them and calling them "rechargeable". Sigh.
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Could be countered by some stringent and well constructed standards/regulations.
Caporegime
But one of the problems with vapes is that large numbers of them are already dodgy foreign imports not properly made to standards.
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This is true. Tighter import controls are also necessary.
Already out.
ELF Have a rechargeable one. And it's only £2.50 more at my local shop.
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Are they refillable too?
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Nope.
Soldato
This is probably the worst problem with vapes, and because of the whole "it was the magic bullet that helped me quit smoking" thing, then people are utterly blind to the damage they're doing to themselves.
Vapes are the next big public health crisis in waiting.
I'm not against them being banned, to be honest. It's a huge waste of materials and feeds into the already well imbedded 'throw it away' attitude we have. Keep the custom ones/refillable ones.
I say this as someone who has a drawer filled of 'naughty' empty vapes that I just can't be bothered to take to the recycling place.
So I guess I don't care about this from a health perspective but more the health of our planet. We really should be trying to move away from single use items, wherever possible.
I say this as someone who has a drawer filled of 'naughty' empty vapes that I just can't be bothered to take to the recycling place.
So I guess I don't care about this from a health perspective but more the health of our planet. We really should be trying to move away from single use items, wherever possible.
I agree and am already bracing for the ‘we didn’t know it was bad for you’ comments.
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the worst thing about vapes imo is the insidious marketing. If adults want to vape then let them vape. No judgement here, I like a drink so would be a raging hypocrite and unlike cigs at least I am not so affected by people vaping near me (I don't miss coming home stinking just for going out for a beer)
but the flavours, the colourful packaging and the marketing of vapes is just so so wrong... hell I am surprised they have not gone the whole hog and have hello kitty endorsed vapes or advertise them on cbeebies or nicolodeon
as glad as I am about disposables being banned , I am also pleased some of the flavours are also being banned.
but the flavours, the colourful packaging and the marketing of vapes is just so so wrong... hell I am surprised they have not gone the whole hog and have hello kitty endorsed vapes or advertise them on cbeebies or nicolodeon
as glad as I am about disposables being banned , I am also pleased some of the flavours are also being banned.
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It will also remove some of the more garish or distinctly dodgy shop fronts on the high street and back streets of most of our towns.
Literally years too late. Such agregious waste should be stopped before it can be produced and sold on such a scale, or at the very latest immediately thereafter.
This was obvious to everyone for a long time including the companies making them, who would have assessed the risk of bans before investing and STILL found it to be ludicrous enough to lean into. To a large extent the damage is already done, and the mockery of the system complete.
This was obvious to everyone for a long time including the companies making them, who would have assessed the risk of bans before investing and STILL found it to be ludicrous enough to lean into. To a large extent the damage is already done, and the mockery of the system complete.
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More stuff like this needs banning.
That this is even a thing just shows we'll never get on top of pollution.
I was a bit disappointed other day. I was at an event and there was a coffee machine with option of disposable and ceramic mugs.
I couldn't believe half the people used the disposables.
This was a place where the machine was 10m walk to the seating area.
If people can't be bothered to use a reusable when it's right there.. What hope is there.
That this is even a thing just shows we'll never get on top of pollution.
I was a bit disappointed other day. I was at an event and there was a coffee machine with option of disposable and ceramic mugs.
I couldn't believe half the people used the disposables.
This was a place where the machine was 10m walk to the seating area.
If people can't be bothered to use a reusable when it's right there.. What hope is there.