UK Government set to ban disposable vapes

[Zefan]

I don't understand why you think the right thing to do is to remove freedom and choice from people.

I totally get what you're saying, and I am with you on it in a way, but this is not a great thread to pull. To use your line of argument, if we followed that logic we should allow murder, rape, child trafficking, right?

The reality is we already limit freedom in many, many ways.

 

[fez]

But going past those examples we can simply jump to eugenics.

This is peak GD right here.

Excellent news however. The oiks that use them seem incapable of doing much other than throwing them on the ground once they are done. They are fantastically wasteful and their easy of access, use and idiot proof nature meant they were basically crack for the children.

 

[The_Arbiter]

I think disposable vapes being discarded in whatever way is more about the users than the product. To generalise, we can draw conclusions between potentially negative products and socially less desirable people too easily and form skewed opinions on the product.

Someone who is at an airport, on a day out, etc forgot their vape which they're using as a medicine, and require a quick fix without high financial investment into a reusable one will suffer from this.

I'd happily see the ban of these things though, they are everywhere now it seems. But alcohol and fast food, it's hard to not feel the way about those too.

On these topics there never seems to be a solid argument either way.

 

[old gamer]

I've tried numerous refillable vapes and nothing comes close to the taste/flavour/hit from disposables.

I was the same but just got a vaporesso xros4 and using bar juice salt nic I've finally found something to match the disposable

 

[Dis86]

Your vote to ban smoking for example, would be exactly the same thing as me voting to force you to smoke.

You wanna think that one through?

 

[zaniro]

 

[Hagar]

I think disposable vapes being discarded in whatever way is more about the users than the product. To generalise, we can draw conclusions between potentially negative products and socially less desirable people too easily and form skewed opinions on the product.

Someone who is at an airport, on a day out, etc forgot their vape which they're using as a medicine, and require a quick fix without high financial investment into a reusable one will suffer from this.

I'd happily see the ban of these things though, they are everywhere now it seems. But alcohol and fast food, it's hard to not feel the way about those too.

On these topics there never seems to be a solid argument either way.

No, you can buy nicotine lozenges, a superior fix, or gum or patches to get you through. It is not like you have to buy 20 B&H or whatever the coffin nail of choice is.

 

[adidan]

I vape but have never touched disposables.

Not against a ban per se purely for environmental reasons more than anything else. I'm not a fan of banning things though really, it just shows a failure of education, parenting and the lack of enforcing laws already available.

I do find the talk of banning in pub gardens a bit odd. I mean, it's a pub and alcohol is probably the worst drug out there. Not to mention the car fumes that you're breathing in when there's no passive effect of vapour.

 

[The_Arbiter]

No, you can buy nicotine lozenges, a superior fix, or gum or patches to get you through. It is not like you have to buy 20 B&H or whatever the coffin nail of choice is.

What's the reasoning of lozenges being a superior fix?
The evidence from millions of users of nicotine shows that the vaping is the most successful way to stop smoking. Other nicotine supplements are shown to still require additional will power to give up vaping.

Using your logic it's easy to argue for a ban of fast food and alcohol.

 

[The_Arbiter]

car fumes that you're breathing in when there's no passive effect of vapour.

I find the car arguments often laughable when we talk about the climate, health, safety and banning of various things. Reality is we have double standards as a society and are just quick to ignore any discussion of potential "progress" that a removal of cars would bring vs the removal of say the cigarettes.

Though my actual point is i experience the inhalation of a cold diesel engine which is a regular occurrence, just like the every other so called nuisance out there.

 

[Hagar]

What's the reasoning of lozenges being a superior fix?
The evidence from millions of users of nicotine shows that the vaping is the most successful way to stop smoking. Other nicotine supplements are shown to still require additional will power to give up vaping.

Using your logic it's easy to argue for a ban of fast food and alcohol.

'Cos they worked for me, a fifty year smoker.

 

[The_Arbiter]

'Cos they worked for me, a fifty year smoker.

Great news there, hell of a long time.

 

[Hagar]

Great news there, hell of a long time.

I never saw the point of aping smoking. Parches gave me bad dreams. Gum is a bit common, lozenges aren't cheap but most effective. I have been smoke free for eight years.

 

[Werewolf]

I never saw the point of aping smoking. Parches gave me bad dreams. Gum is a bit common, lozenges aren't cheap but most effective. I have been smoke free for eight years.

IIRC the original reason was valid, there is the physical addiction to the actual chemical, but also a psychological aspect which is the habit of doing something with your hands whilst you get the chemical hit.
Studies showed repeatedly that if you could combine both in some form it significantly increased the chances of quitting, hence various suggestions for things to do with your hands whilst trying to give up.

The stupid and IMO unforgivable thing was they then made it so they could market the stop smoking tool at the sort of tools that likes alchopops and being obnoxious. In many ways I find vapes at least as bad in terms of smell as cig smoke.

My dad gave up smoking for a few years back when the original nicorette ecigs came out, for the first time in 40+ years, he started again when my mum was ill and when he tried to get off it again he couldn't find anything on the market that was as easy to use (important as his eyesight is largely gone and the original things could be charged via a usb port and you just unscrewed the end to replace the nicotine), and didn't have some massively overpowering taste.

 

[The_Arbiter]

I never saw the point of aping smoking. Parches gave me bad dreams. Gum is a bit common, lozenges aren't cheap but most effective. I have been smoke free for eight years.

I thought about trying patches as it's the only one that you don't get the insta hit. So this sounds not ideal, first i've heard of it though and they've been around ages.

 

[bigmike20vt]

it's about time they banned them. if people want to vape then fine but the waste in the disposables is terrible. I don't see any downside to ban ing them tbh as it's not stopping people vaping

 

[Hagar]

I thought about trying patches as it's the only one that you don't get the insta hit. So this sounds not ideal, first i've heard of it though and they've been around ages.

You can get 16h patches today to avoid leaving them on. Many people are OK with wearing one for 24 hours but some like me had vivid dreams and generally woke up tired and out of sorts. The lozenges worked because just like tictacs you could use them at any time and tictacs became a replacement therapy after a time to wean me off the nicotine. It took the best part of a year but it worked well. I did suck a lot of pencils at work as well.

 

[Brazo]

It doesn’t go far enough. All these daft flavours should be banned and vaping should only be a nicotine version for people trying to give up cigarettes and only on prescription at that.

 

[bainbridge]

They should only sell big rechargeable vaping machines shaped like a Sherlock Holmes pipe.

They would be less wasteful and funny to watch people puffing on them.

 

[aVdub]

24 hours but some like me had vivid dreams and generally woke up tired and out of sorts. <zip>

Been around 13 odd years off the smokes now and as you I tried patches to start with, but the dreams were awful and I would constantly wake covered in sweat and unable to forget the dreams for days/weeks.
Went cold turkey in the end (guess the dreams may have helped)