UK Kindle and E-Books...

I've been reading ebooks on my phone for a couple of years now (it's a Universal so it's got a huge bright screen!:)), mostly free stuff (did you know that the works of R. E. Howard are all out of copyright?;)) I love it cause I always have my phone with me, it's convenient if I get stuck somewhere and need to pass the time somehow. I am hugely tempted to get an ebook reader, because I like the idea of having several books on me at the same time, and them not taking up any shelf space when I'm done reading them - if it weren't for the portability issue, I'd prefer physical books to ebooks any day, but, like others, I'm seriously running out of space to store them.

However, I have a problem with paying as much (or almost as much) for a digital purchase as I would for a physical item. I know there's lots of things available cheaply or free (and I'll be checking out Werewolf's suggestions for sure!), the fact is that most publishers don't charge less for ebooks, at least in Europe. I don't, unfortunately, see this changing much, as the majority of the cost of the books is in the editing, typesetting, marketting, and (duh) author royalties! But I'm hoping that, soon, it'll become standard practice for publishers to heavily discount electronic versions of their back-catalogues, or maybe to start offering electronic versions of a book when you buy a hardback or something (so I can either read the book at home, or read the ebook when I'm out and about). And, of course, magazine and newspaper subscriptions WILL become a big thing, with your reader either updating over-the-air, or using something like push-web (your subscriptions downloading new content whenever you're within range of free wi-fi or connected to your PC via USB). Someone mentioned Minority Report, but most of P.K. Dick's book mention homeopapes that print out of a machine with the user's custom selection of news stories - if big news providers made a deal with Amazon or whoever else runs ebook networks they could easily do that sort of thing! (And I believe Murdoch is already building a subscription model for the online versions of his news outlets, so he'll have sometihng to easily integrate with the Kindle's network if he wants to.) This'll probably become more popular when ebooks with colour screens become common.

Anyway, the biggest thing stopping me is that, well, I tend to only read 1 book at a time and a paperback is only slightly bulkier than a Kindle. The reason I like reading on my phone is because I don't need to carry anything extra with me, so I can read "opportunistically", whenever I get a bit of time I wasn't expecting to have (train delayed, for instance). The problem with the jilted promise of convergence, however, is that if you use a single machine for making phone calls, listening to music, reading ebooks and watching movies, its battery basically won't last through the day. My phone has a back light bright enough to kill vampires with, 3 hours of reading would probably run it down. If I were listning to music at the same time it's more likely to be 2! :(

Still, I'll still probably get an ebook reader eventually, but not just yet - Asus announced that they're also bringing one out, as well as another manufacturer whose name I don't remember now. When those come out (prob round Christmas or shortly afterwards) it'll inevitably drive prices down, so I don't recommend to anyone to buy one just yet.
 
I'm firmly on the fence with e-book readers. When I first heard of them a couple of years ago (the kindle probably) they seemed like a brilliant idea, especially if they could display technical PDF's. When I saw a Sony reader in Vegas last year I also thought the same, but now I'm much more cautious. They are way too expensive for me at the moment, fare more susceptable to damage, will be the cause of yet another charger (to go with the laptop, phone, walkman, camera...) wherever I go if the trip is reasonably long.

However the biggest issue with me is the price of ebooks and the sharing factor. I haven't bought a book in 3-4 years, however I probably read 10-20 a year. How? I share them with my family, 3-4 of us reading the same book, swapping with other people and just picking up random books. You almost certainly won't be able to do this with a reader, buying one book and sharing it between the family will be a thing of the past, i'm guessing DMR stops you just passing an ebook on to another at the moment for new releases?

I think this may also be part of the reason for such pirating of music/games now, mp3 sales are starting to take over from CD sales, yet the prices for mp3's still seem to be more (or the same) as physical media (70p per song for example!). You can't buy used mp3's, or technically give your friend them when you've finished with them. Certain players/providers don't even allow you to change the device the music is on...

The thing that worries me about the Kindle is that it's starting to sound like all ebook readers are being called kindles, it wouldn't be the first time rubbish tech had been synonymous with a certain technology. It used to be very good, however now (at least the uk "version") seems way behind the times.:p
 
I must admit I like the idea of e-books and e-book readers, I am generaly into anything along the lies of innovation and also the fact it would make me feel like I'm in Star Trek is a real hook.

However, I've been reading books for as long as I can remember, and the idea of not being able to look at my bookshelf and see the umteen books I have collected over the years is just not worth it, I love having my collection to look at, I suppose it's a way of measuring my worth as someone who calls reading a real hobby.
 
Ordered myself a PRS-505 last week, can't wait for it to arrive. (ordered an in-stock item on the 2nd, still not here after 10 days ... terrible service tbh from **** and I don't even have a mind-easing tracking number for the Royal Fail delivery)

I've moved over to doing almost all my reading electronically over the last 4 or so years and it should be a vast improvement over my laptop. Hopefully the worldwide kindle push will start putting ebooks in the mainstream and bring prices and release dates down to where they should be (seriously, they're practically a free by-product of making a paper book and are so tiny that distribution costs are certainly lower ... why should we be paying a premium?!).
Until then i'll be voting with my wallet and using #bookz

They are definitely going to be xmas's big item though, I've heard loads of non-techy people talking about them over the past few weeks.
 
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I was tempted, but I'll buy a Kindle if and when it gets a touch screen.

I'm not interested in having so much of the device taken up by a ropey looking keyboard at the expense of screen size :(
 
aye zarf, I suspect you'll love the 505:) (has it arrived yet?)


I just placed my latest order at Baen for their December 2009 webscription (it includes the new HH universe book), and the September Nightshade bundle as a couple of the books piqued my interest :)
13 books, DRM free including a brand new release (only just coming out in hardback in the US) for £23 :)
 
the kindle I think does in the states, but over here I think the current plan is for it just to have access to the mobile network for book downloads from amazon (the UK/EU version of Kindle is going to have a number of things disabled at launch compared to the US one from what I understand).
 
Kindle is ok for fiction books, but for textbooks it's impractical as you'd be going back and forth between pages a lot, possibly annotating as well. Plus a black and white display is no good for photographs and diagrams and the screen is rather small compared to an A4 book, I think I'll wait for the devices to become more advanced and the prices to drop to realistic levels before buying one.
 
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Just in case anyone is interested, here are some photos of the Kindle I bought for my mother for Christmas:

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I'm sorry about the absolutely shocking picture quality. :p I took it out to make sure that the screen wasn't cracked and what not (as it's come rather a long way!), luckily it wasn't retail packaged, so it was fairly easy.

It really is a fabulous looking piece of kit, shame I can't turn it on. :( :p

Also, if anyone despirately wants some high quality pics, just say and I'll take some later on. :)
 
I'm getting tempted to buy one to test them out, but the range of technical books available is terrible!:(

A mate uses the Sony one for both reference books and for normal books. Looks ok but the majority are missing Apple version of the software.

Actually, I bought my first PDF today (TOGAF v9 and study guides) so regardless of the platform I can take it with me :D
 
Been thinking about these readers for a while and finally picked up a Sony Reader 300 at the weekend. Really liking it so far.

Unless we're talking study-textbooks, I don't attach much value to handing physical books. I do make notes sometimes, but they're always for transfer into a mindmap/text file/blog post. The key benefit for me is space; I like to read a 2-3 books at once while travelling for work so a single device that slips into my laptop bag is ideal. Quite happy to pay £180 for the convenience.

On the downside, just discovered the annoying geographic restrictions on the Fictionwise site :/
 
One interesting tidbit, apparently the Wheel of Time series of books should be coming out on Ebook format starting next year, at a rate of one a month I think, with the latest copy edits/minor revisions approved by the original author and his estate (things like dates/ages being corrected to stay consistent with events).
However IIRC the editor has commented that due to the way the Kindle formatting is done (automatically by Amazon with little/no control over it from the editors, and little/no human intervention), the Kindle version most likely will not look as good as other versions (I believe he said the Sony version would be the standard).
I think his words were along the lines of "if the kindle version doesn't look right, complain to Amazon not us, as your comments/opinions count more to them, than ours.:)

I was also hearing on the Radio (4) earlier something about British libraries starting to do Ebook loans, I'll have to look that up :) (I've been expecting that to happen for at least a year, as it's a win win for the libraries, no stock storage, no physical books to get lost/damage/misfiled and more people being able to use them).
 
I was also hearing on the Radio (4) earlier something about British libraries starting to do Ebook loans, I'll have to look that up :) (I've been expecting that to happen for at least a year, as it's a win win for the libraries, no stock storage, no physical books to get lost/damage/misfiled and more people being able to use them).

I was looking on the Essex Library website the other day and they already do it! Fantastic service.
 
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