UK plans age verification for porn websites from 2018

KNiVES said:
Even if you disagree with the implemention, the principle is sound - porn will wreck havoc on generations of kids who will have warped views of women - imagine being a 13 year old jerking off to women with enormous boobs and planetoid butts, then having that as the psychological 'standard' for women - they would never be attracted to the women they meet in every day life, and their penises would be desensitized from all the masturbation. They'd be nervous wrecks in bed.
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Dont have to imagine, i am young enough to be among the first generation which has access to the internet at that age. Trust me, you know full well how unrealistic a woman in a pornos are. The tales of porn ruining the lives of people really just sound like fairy tales or shifting of blame to an easy target. I am not saying, let kids watch porn but treating it as a gateway drug to a life of emotional anguish and a numb knob is silly.

Next you will be telling me that video games cause violence
 
CircleFaust said:
this is a good thing, if it stops very young children and younger teenagers seeing it
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Or more precisely it'll reduce the chance young children and younger teenagers stumbling across it.*

But then that begs the question. If they stumble across it what are they going to take from it? "Daddy, do you have a thing between your legs?"

It's only ridiculous religious prudish that's the issue here. Nudity is not a problem, and the sooner we as a society get rid of this silly notion that it is somehow more of a problem than violence perhaps we can move forwards.

*Because this law is only for big commercial sites, and if a kid wants to see it it'll take them about a minute to circumvent the ban, by going through a free VPN/ip masker found on Google.

Edit: and as others have said the argument is not about porn. That's just the tip of the iceberg being used as a way of reducing public outcry. It's a continual move by this government to censor and control the internet, collect even more data and continually increase the infringement of privacy of its citizens, and it seems move us back towards a more puritanical world.

The reality is if the regulations the government are trying to enforce on the internet were actually implemented in real life then there would be absolute uproar. Why should every letter we post be tracked and a database of who sent what to when, and what it said. Why should we have to have all our real life conversations and locations recorded, and records of such be kept for at least a year? That sounds a little crazy, but that's the real life equivalent of what is being implemented online.

Governments claim they are just trying to bring the internet in line with the the physical world, but it's just not, because they would never be allowed to (not just because of the technological limitations).
 
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KNiVES said:
Even if you disagree with the implemention, the principle is sound - porn will wreck havoc on generations of kids who will have warped views of women - imagine being a 13 year old jerking off to women with enormous boobs and planetoid butts, then having that as the psychological 'standard' for women - they would never be attracted to the women they meet in every day life, and their penises would be desensitized from all the masturbation. They'd be nervous wrecks in bed.
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There's a simple solution to that. Teach them porn isn't like real life. Just like Cinderella and all the other Disney films aren't, just as those non animated films aren't.

The major issue comes up because of the poor quality of sex education and British people's reluctant attitude to discussing it. If a person is learning about sex from porn, and only associating non clothed bodies with sex then that's a problem with society, not necessarily with the motion picture version.

It's no coincidence that better access to sex education has helped reduce teenage pregnancy for example. Education is far more a key than censorship. All censorship does is hide the problem, rather than "solve" it.
 
Amp34 said:
There's a simple solution to that. Teach them porn isn't like real life. Just like Cinderella and all the other Disney films aren't, just as those non animated films aren't.
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It's not even hard to distinguish a real amateur tape from commercial porn acting. You just need to watch the intro to most pornos to realise you're about to watch some of the the worst acting you'll ever see in your life. "All right love where you off to today?" "I'm going to uni but I don't have any money for the fare and I am 1 hour early" "No problem love hop in" Yeah right hahaha.
 
Amp34 said:
The major issue comes up because of the poor quality of sex education
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The problem is there really are people who are both easily impressionable, have limited perspective and even more limited ability to see or even conceptualise life from any other perspective than their own.
 
Rroff said:
The problem is there really are people who are both easily impressionable, have limited perspective and even more limited ability to see or even conceptualise life from any other perspective than their own.
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What do you mean by that?
 
I understand the principle. I personally don't think it's healthy that most guys will have watched porn for at least four or five years in most cases before their first real sexual experience. A significant amount of porn is pretty degrading to women and presents an extremely unrealistic image of women and sex in general. Obviously a good amount of guys will understand this as they get older, but I still think that an industry that is supposed to be 18+ should be 18+.

The implementation is difficult though, I don't see how they can stop kids viewing porn without also banning VPNs and proxy servers.
 
Unless the government fully controls distribution and even then... they can't stop some rogue film maker in some dank basement, you end up just pushing it underground where it will inevitably end up hurting children... AGAIN.

Then no doubt we will revert to the point where MP's are so above the law that they use these underground places (much like the lovely Cyril Smith), in crass hypocrisy.
 
Let's be clear here, I'm not suggesting we should let under 18s look at porn, but we should acknowledge that while you can make it harder they're still going to find it and still going to look at it. Once we acknowledge that we can start to mitigate those factors - that's where a more liberal attitude to sex and nudity, and education can help significantly.

The poor quality of sex education in this country has been acknowledged for a long time, it's nothing new. And our attitude towards this is at serious odds with many countries in Europe where nudity is commonplace in adverts and pre "watershed" programming. It's our puriranical views that are part of the problem.

It's not like it's just porn either. As much as alcohol and smoking are banned, that doesn't stop a significant proportion of under 18s partaking in both regularly. How do we deal with the "issue"? We educate and try and be open about it.

It's the same with drugs, banning them hasn't really helped anyone, in fact in that case it's been proven that it's been detrimental. The more open we are, the more education we provide, the better it is for everyone.

Much like the previous implementation of this it won't work, but people will clap and cheer all the same, ignoring the fact it's just another step in the control of the internet this government seem to want.
 
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To be fair it's not just the Conservatives with the likes of Diane Abbott who thinks that any hand shandy is immoral. I doubt Labour cretins would do any different.

Remember Keith Vas? Apparently all games should be banned they are utter evil.

They are all ****ing nutters if you ask me.
 
Edinho said:
To be fair it's not just the Conservatives with the likes of Diane Abbott who thinks that any hand shandy is immoral. I doubt Labour cretins would do any different.

Remember Keith Vas? Apparently all games should be banned they are utter evil.
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I remember a lecturer I once had who said the same about gaming. That and computers were as far as he was concerned only for word processing/office work.

They are all ****ing nutters if you ask me.
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Heh! Don Johnson said something very close in Tin Cup.
 
AFAIR this was May's cause celebre as Home Secretary and now she's PM (at least for a while) there will be no stopping her.

tl:dr on the previous pages but, speaking hypothetically of course (!), I seriously doubt the tube sites are in the UK anyway and no-one in their right mind is going to give their primary CC or DC details to any such site. Maybe a holiday cash card with a few £ left on it, but that's all. And (again hypothetically) if you have links to clips archived in a text document then I doubt the system is going to detect if you procure the media via a FLV grabber.

Otherwise this government seems determined to take us back to the 1980's in just about every way, except there's no longer any Private etc. shops in the seedier area of town where you could pull up the collar on your raincoat, don a trilby hat and emerge some time later with your acquisitions in a brown paper bag.
 
Vern1961 said:
AFAIR this was May's cause celebre as Home Secretary and now she's PM (at least for a while) there will be no stopping her.

tl:dr on the previous pages but, speaking hypothetically of course (!), I seriously doubt the tube sites are in the UK anyway and no-one in their right mind is going to give their primary CC or DC details to any such site. Maybe a holiday cash card with a few £ left on it, but that's all. And (again hypothetically) if you have links to clips archived in a text document then I doubt the system is going to detect if you procure the media via a FLV grabber.

Otherwise this government seems determined to take us back to the 1980's in just about every way, except there's no longer any Private etc. shops in the seedier area of town where you could pull up the collar on your raincoat, don a trilby hat and emerge some time later with your acquisitions in a brown paper bag.
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Corbyn ain't no angel either if he was in power. I despise them all.
 
Hades said:
Haha, it's back again. Let's see how far they get on with it this time :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60293057
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Andy Burrows, of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), welcomed the strengthening of the Online Harms Bill but said it didn't go far enough.

"It's right the government has listened to calls to fix one of the gaps in the Online Safety Bill and protect children from pornography wherever it's hosted," he said.

"Crucially, they have also acted on our concerns and closed the 'Only Fans loophole' that would have let some of the riskiest sites off the hook despite allowing children access to extremely damaging material.
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What do they mean by this? Like because OnlyFans is (ostensibly) not just for porn (lol) but can be used by any "creators" it doesn't fall under the legislation?

Does anyone know if that would then affect Twitter or Snapchat etc..? The latter is what was mentioned as the big issue in the article from the other thread, kids receiving DMs on that platform which subsequently disappear, yet I suspect kids will still want to access social media right?

If you have to verify your ID in order to use the likes of Twitter then whistleblowers would be a bit screwed.
 
dowie said:
If you have to verify your ID in order to use the likes of Twitter then whistleblowers would be a bit screwed.
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They'd just send their leaks to a verified account holder kind of like how tipsters leak stuff to press journalists etc.
 
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