Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Sankari said:
False. 13,000 is the total number of people killed on both sides of the conflict in eastern Ukraine since Russia invaded Donbas in 2014. 3,000 of them were civilians.

'Disinfo: Former Ukrainian government is responsible for 13,000 deaths in Donbas.'

'Putin’s claims that Ukraine is committing genocide are baseless, but not unprecedented.'

'Russia’s assault on Ukraine and the international order: Assessing and bolstering the Western response.'

'Kyiv backed forces' have not killed 13,000 ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. That is a lie.
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good work challenging, and correcting, the lies spouted by some.
 
Monkeynut said:
How much does Russia have left to throw at this realistically?
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Well the 40 mile long convoy hasn't even engaged yet so probably a fair bit and I don't think they have even used their TOS-1a for clearing urban areas. I won't be googling for images if they ever use them.

I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that, I think Ukranian president will have to negotiate some kind of peace talks soon...surrender even.
 
Amnesia said:
Well the 40 mile long convoy hasn't even engaged yet so probably a fair bit and I don't think they have even used their TOS-1a for clearing urban areas. I won't be googling for images if they ever use them.

I'm really hoping it doesn't come to that, I think Ukranian president will have to negotiate some kind of peace talks soon...surrender even.
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I cannot see them surrender, not even if the whole country is flattened.

Once the armies are in the city, the shelling in that area would stop, then it becomes a guerrilla warfare which will drag on indefinitely.
 
The President of Georgia Salome Zourabichvili told CNN's Jake Tapper that she doesn't believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin is only aiming to take select regions of Ukraine, but that he's "destroying the whole country."
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
I dread to think what equipment the reservists have going by the current **** old hardware strewn across Ukraine...
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A lot of this equipment is older than the Russian reserves. Literally some of it has been sitting for decades one step away from being scrapped.

Hence so much is abandoned broken down, etc. or doesn't last very long in a fight.

EDIT: Funny thing is some of this stuff was supposed to have gone through a "modernisation" program - doesn't appear to have accomplished much from what has been seen so far - maybe corruption striking again with poor quality work and money siphoned off.
 
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Rroff said:
A lot of this equipment is older than the Russian reserves. Literally some of it has been sitting for decades one step away from being scrapped.

Hence so much is abandoned broken down, etc. or doesn't last very long in a fight.
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So where's the more modern stuff? Being saved for something else, or do they just not have it in sensible quantities?
 
Rroff said:
A lot of this equipment is older than the Russian reserves. Literally some of it has been sitting for decades one step away from being scrapped.
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That sounds frighteningly familiar:eek: The Bulldog (FV436) I commanded was build in 1968, it was upgraded in the early 2000's but it felt and ran like every bit like a 60's vehicle...
 
MagicBoy said:
So where's the more modern stuff? Being saved for something else, or do they just not have it in sensible quantities?
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There is some more modern stuff - but they've skimmed from the main Russian army and brought a lot of stuff back into service to avoid depleting the main Russian forces which are stretched enough with defending their borders and stuff in Syria, etc.
 
Putin is playground bully and total BSer. Europe should not be afraid of Putin. The Ukrainians are valiant but their resources are limited and they are giving the Russians a bloody nose. Putin is no match for Europe and America and never forget it guys.

Putin is a bully and bullies need a bloody nose. He blufffed and said the sanctions won’t affect him, well we managed to shut down their stock market for nearly a week so far.
 
Just catching up today.

Seems like a huge day for Ukraine overall.

Entire Russian units deserting/quitting/surrendering.
Ukraine launching counter offensives against the encroaching convoys.
Russians being forcibly enlisted as Putin tries to crack down harder.
Suggestions the expensive ammo (cruise missiles etc) Russian side is running low on reserves.
More countries applying to join the EU.
More Russian armor being destroyed/abandoned/captured.


The 2 bolded ones of particular relevance as it could suggest his entire war machine is about to fall apart.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I cannot see them surrender, not even if the whole country is flattened.

Once the armies are in the city, the shelling in that area would stop, then it becomes a guerrilla warfare which will drag on indefinitely.
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Yep, attempting to take a city whose defenders are willing to fight to the death is no easy task, it becomes a war of attrition and the Russian morale is already rock bottom it would seem, the soldiers might even frag their commanders as the Americans did in some battles at Vietnam.
 
MagicBoy said:
So where's the more modern stuff? Being saved for something else, or do they just not have it in sensible quantities?
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They probably don't have much of it, and what is in existence is probably largely being kept for defence.

A lot of Russia's newest and greatest hardware is only available in very very small numbers, enough to roll out for the odd demonstration, not in war fighting quantities.

Given how well maintained the stuff that has been seen seems to be, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the newer stuff is simply not working, as the stuff from the 70's and 80's is likely far less complicated and hardier in terms of maintenance requirements than more modern equipment that tends to need a higher level of technical training to maintain. and often requires more expensive and harder to produce parts that are replaced more often.
An old diesel engine for example can often be started after being left for years if you simply change out the fuel, a modern higher performance one might have issues from just a few months in storage if it's not been prepped properly due to both natural degradation of them (IE seals and pipes that require oil or other fluids passing over them), and things like mother natures various saboteurs* which have a tendency to find all the little nooks, crannies and various paper and rubber bits ideal for either nests or just plain tasty.
Simple things like tyres need to be looked after, and if that's not happening as has been suggested, then it doesn't bode well for higher tech stuff that requires more than telling a conscript "drive that truck around the parking area a couple of times and then press these two buttons".


*IIRC rats, mice, various insects, and in Germany there is a real issue with Weasels for example (as a german car owner you can buy weasel insurance to cover when they get at your car...).
 
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